Jason Cloke? Does he still play?

Anyway seeing as you brought money bags up I hear Scarlett and Egan loved his direct long bomb gameplan, they were very happy.

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Yeah he does still play and on todays form is a better prospect than Lance at a quarter of the money.

Money bags??? Oooooh.. you have me there... there are a few at Carlton... Lance? Kouta??? someone else???Give me a hint???

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We fund his stable which he is more interested in.

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No.. you will have to be more concise The Game... stable >>horses>>> Lance ....

Either moneybags Lance or Denis Pagan???

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The richer one and the one who makes the gameplan.

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Richer????Thats Denis... he doesnt blow his cash at TABS around the Northern suburbs... cos he is smarter ...

Ok.. so we bombed it in and still had almost as many scoring chances as a side that almost made the GF.

I dont really look at why we bombed it in.. im more interested in the little things...like why is Walker a tagger.. and how the hell did we give Lance another contract when he is just grossly unathletic and the game is being played at a breakness pace???

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Some interesting stats from the game surprised me

Contested Possies
Scotland 10
Houla 9
Scarlett 9
Lance 8
G Ablett 7

Uncontested Possies
Lappin 21
Stevo 16
Houla 15
Ling 15
Kelly 12

Effective Kicks
Lappin 16
Bartel 13
Houla 12
Lance 11
Kingley 11 ( hmm 9 goals helps)

Inside 50
Walker 5
Stevo 5
Walker 5
Byrnes 5
Mooney 5

Rebound 50
Lance 6
D Johnson 5
Houla 3
Scarlett 3
T Bird 3

You could be right,Thornton has been a fav for a while,but seems to be down a bit,but Livingston no way unless we want to lose by 50 points instead of 28,try the new recruit Jason Saddington

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Well, my 20 cents worth on this topic. Is that Thorton isnt a key postion player he has showed that over the last couple fo years. He is more rebounding half back flanker and that is where he should be played. We might as well as give Livo a go at full back. Because we are goiung to have the same defence problems as past years. so we might as well continue to bulid for the future until the Bowers, Edwards, kennedys come on. Because to have kinglsley kick 9 nine goals on you was embaraasing. And they were not classical power marks. And the way he marked the ball(all chest marks) was comicial. Our backline should read as follows-:

B: Mcgrath Livo WIggins/Hartlett/sporn/carazzo
HB: Thorton Saddington(when fit)/Whitnall Walker.

And we should stick to that no matter what as the result is always going to be the same. Unless our midfield can hold it owns our backline has no where to hide(unfortunatley)

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Livo might be the TC whipping boy, but one thing he has over Thornton is strength. I reckon he'd have done well on Kingsley provided he wasn't raped too hard by the breathe-near-the-forward-and-he-gets-a-free interpretation they're using this pre-season.

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I tend to agree. While Livo is never going to be a superstar, he does have the strength to handle FB - much more so than T-Bird. Structurally I reckon we operate better with Livo at FB (alongside Saddington when he is fit), T-Bird at CHB and then Lance do whatever he likes.

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Ok I've been watching the first quarter and I've seen Kingsley's first four.

Goal one - Unmarked
Goal two - Floater kick from Mooney that only Kent and T-Bird judged
Goal three - Unmarked
Goal four - soft free in the goal square

Lance and T-Bird were regularly zoning off their opponents to provide a linking option and to assist. Lance still manages to make his opponent ineffective based on where they have to go to get the ball. T-Bird was taking the no 1 forward and trying to run off. You look at Scarlett - didn't even dream of doing that until he or his team mates had the ball.

I just think they're as worried as you are about the defensive half and in the end their willingness to help with that lead to their downfall (Kent with 9).

UPDATES:
Goal five - Thornton shepparded (legally) out by Nathan Ablett as Kinglsey marks unopposed. Dare I say it but a familiar trend is breaking out where Kingsley's nine has nothing to do with Kingsley.

Whitnall on him in the second - shut out of the game due to defensive reshuffle. Lance running off him with ease. Good match up for Lance.

I find it amazing that no one actually wants Lance to play a specified position down back...its Livo at FB , Thornton at CHB, maybe Saddington in the back pocket but Lance where he likes.....not at CHB...what is the deal are we trying to hide him?, find a weak opponent or are we paying him 400K a year to be our version of Jason Cloke?
If he plays down back he has to play on an opponent and stop them....

Jimmae...Lance zoned off his opponents to the point he was no where near them when Geelong had the footy

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Lance did his job and did it well. I'm early into the last and he has been everywhere and still done his central role effectively.

Kingsley just kicked his sixth - Good pickup off a half volley type kick and looked for all money to be dishing off a pass until the half-wit notice he was unmarked AGAIN and the two defenders pushing back to cover passing options could do nothing but watched as he stopped, propped and put it through.

Again, complete disrespect shown to Kingsley.

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Goal seven - Kingsley receives another soft free kick and is then awarded a free kick dead infront even though the infringement did not occur in the goal square. Looks like players weren't the only ones suffering skill errors.

Goal eight - Kingsley receives a poor pass but has so much space on Thornton (who looks exhausted - see 5 seperate runs from inside defensive 50 to well up the forward half of the wing where he delivered the ball) he can deliver the ball to someone right on the 50 (backward kick inside the 50m arc) and then lead diagonally into the corridor without much resistance due to a very open forward 50. Good get by Kingsley but Thornton isn't match fit or not very capable on what was a very humid night.

Goal nine - Mark on the lead with Thornton right on his ginger and still unable to spoil. Only would have been stopped by a man dropping in the hole. Magnificent kick to his lead.

Summary: Blaming Thornton or Whitnall or whoever else was on Kent Kinglsey for all nine of those goals is an absolute joke. Learn to watch the football before you open your mouth. Andre Agassi was right about some of you clowns.

Here's who is to blame:
Direct opponent for response in situation: 1*
Direct opponent for not being on his man: 2
Another defender for leaving a second man to come in and take KK's direct opponent out: 1
Umpires: 2
Reading of the play by defense and inability to cover all options: 2
Unstoppable without a man dropping in the hole: 1

* - May have been completely exhausted prior to ball coming in range

On that - Thornton is to blame for 2 goals out of nine in total, and two goals 6 or 7 where he was the defender posted on him. Considering Thornton had a heap of runs where he carried the ball 2/3rds the way down the wing I think you should all shut the hell up.

The main offender was the defense as a unit. This comes with time and experience as a unit. Individually looking at Thorton, Whitnall, Hartlett and McGrath, who were the only guys consistently in the back half the whole game, they are all good defenders and did not do anything wrong with the ball when it was in their possession. They simply failed overall in working as a unit to cover all opponents.

They will soon begin to back each other and give each other greater responsibility and it will not be an issue. I like that we're rotating about 6 or more players of the back flanks to the wings so long as we do not create space in our opponents forward 50 for their big targets to lead and roam around in.

Please consider the bigger picture of what is going on before automatically laying blame on the direct opponent for the result. If football was a 1 on 1 game it wouldn't be much of a team sport and you would see even more uncontested and easy marks.

I have specifically hilighted sections of this post in bold because mate, you must have been blind, or *blind* when you wrote these.

1. Lance covered another dummy beautifully up on the wing about 15 minutes earlier. Longergan had been looking to pass all night long and yes he is more agile than Lance - shock horror. You all witnessed the only goal Lance had kicked on him all night long. I'm glad you didn't miss that at least.

2. I saw two bad handballs under pressure. I also see the opposition scoring under a hundred points. If one of our leading possession winners was so bad with the ball while IN DEFENSE, where is the 10 goal win to the cats, especially seeing Kent Kingsley kicked nine. You must find that people sigh a lot while in your presence.

3. Didn't even see what you're talking about. Fabricated so you can bash Lance more.

4. Lance played on Kinglsey for a considerable part of the second and third quarters along with Hartlett, did anyone see KK kick a goal? Oh emm gee to use some nerd speak.

5. Take your own advice; third time lucky for an astute perception of the game?

Absolute joke. You're trolling your own clubs major forum with the aplomb, attention span and intellectual prowess of a 12 year old when you claim to be well informed and well versed on all things CFC. I get more out of watching a damn game once than you do for all your hawking of the club, probably from standing on a car roof peeping into a window of the change rooms, before twenty minutes later realising that again, the window is barred and frosted. Textbook moron.

All will be fixed when David Teague comes back

Jimmae, great analysis...but relax, the "bag lance"s will always do just that...bag Lance.

Doesn't matter what happens....
Mind you I agree with the defensive unit except you left one thing out...BArnaby often didn't drop back when he should have to fill the whole and at one stage Walks was a loose man in defence ... Lance always works off his man to HIS advantage...and gets the ball.
Also, midfield turnovers when we were rushing forward make you look like a dill as you've already left your man.

I think we went into the game intentionally low on defence , but I can't suggest a reason why (probably to give Hartlett a fairly full game?)...IS Teague injured? LIvo?

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Bill with Barney I think you'll find that was due to the sheer enormity of his around the ground work.

All our bigmen moved surprisingly well for their size from what I saw ie. the whole game.

Very happy with the tap work, I lost count of direct taps, not taps to advantage but taps that landed in someone's lap - it even shocked Kouta a few times. While GD played a hand in the work there, I fear it may be due to Geelong's first and second choice ruck options not playing. Even so we certainly delivered the ball from a bounce a lot more often than I would have expected in any game.

And I also don't feel we went low on defense. Going on what I saw tonight those four would be in my first choice defense. They will gel.

Kinglsey is just one of those players who always seems to kick at least a bag against us and always seems to get "soft" free kicks.

These new rules are tailor-made for this supreme softcock of a full forward - he will kick at least 80 goals this season if the umpires keep interpreting the rules about spoiling in this manner.

Fevola should kick near 100 - but wont as being a bottom club the umpires will certainly make sure that nails and a wooden cross are used before we even get a sniff of a free kick.

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Hartlet did not play that last quarter which meant Waite went back which is why there were gaps in that defense the last quarter. Waite needs to lean a heap if he is to go back. I thought Lance and Hartlett did very well on K.K. during 2nd and 3rd quarters.

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