Love that "inversely proportional" bit. Take it a few generations back and it applied in spades - J Buckley, R Ashman, K Sheldon, W Harmes, W Johnston, P Maylin, etc.

To respond to OP:

I feel that it's difficult to fly the flag without taking yourself out of the game or infringe with the adjustments to existing and implementation of new rules tekno.

Some examples:
Simmo cops the whack. Fev runs over and floors Kelly for it, legitimately. Free kick is quite possibly reversed.

Agressive tackle is made on one of our boys under legitimate circumstances but the bloke will probably be cited for rough play by the 'three wise men'. Bloke comes in to fly the flag prior to ball-up.

Problem: Ball up occurs within two seconds of the umpire getting the ball - player is not involved in the play - what if that player is Stevens/Kouta.

Best way to show leadership in any game is to ignore idiots, dust off your bloke, tell him not to worry about it and play for his team to show them how it's done. And that's what Stevens, Lance, Lappin and Kouta do.

I don't fault them.

Let's see the Dees make Byron Pickett their captain. I'm sure no one would question him.

id be shocked if anyone did jump in and give you a hand verbs...

on the other side to that if i was playing in a ream sport and one of my smaller taeam mates was being treated unjustly.. i dont think i could stay there.

Your experience says alot about you.. and ypour team mates.

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I think flying the flag is important especially for the smaller guys. Not really for protection as no one is in danger but more so not letting the opponents get a mental advantage.

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No point doing it, if you're not that way inclined and unfortunetly, none of our leaders are.

From days gone past, I reckon the greatest captain we had in that respect was Fitzy. But, did you ever see Fitzy actaully hit a guy? I can't recall him ever doing so, but it was purely his body language that sent the mesage to the opposition. I recall on more than one ocassion how he would just point the finger at the offender and that was enough. They knew they were on notice and he'd even up in the course of play. I don't want to see Kouta or Lance come in and throw their weight around because we all know, including the opposition, that neither have hit anyone in their lives.

In our case, as long as guys like Houlihan are in the team, who refuse to put their head over the ball when it's their turn and who continue to lay one arm tackles or no tackles at all, then I'm afraid, regardless of Houlihans skill level, you have little chance of anyone acting the enforcer.

You dont want guys coming in punching on.. but you do want guys jumping in and showing the opposition our smaller guys wont be smashed!!!

Because if noone does it our little blokes/ young blokes become other teams rag dolls..and that affects confidence..

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Totally agree.
Carlton are too soft. They dont prevoke or ridicule the opposition when a mistake is made. If this isnt done we will never be competitive.
We shouldnt rely on Fev everytime because he ends up getting suspended because he goes to far.
It may be because we still have kids in the team but they spent a fair bit in the gym. Let em loose and I want Kouta to get angry

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Um......I'm pretty sure we're talking about footy, not um....reaming.

I get hit a lot because I'm as big as Hulmey and only know one way -- head over the ball. I'm by FAR the smallest guy on the team -- not the shortest but easily the lightest/skinniest.

We're not talking about king hits and cowardly acts behind the play. That didn't happen to Simpson. All it was was a heavy knock in the course of play. Get up. Go again. It's really quite simple, and even though I play in a lower league the evolution of the game flows downwards and there simply isn't enough time to go the push and shove whenever the contact is heavy. The result is a goal to the opposition. And the coach has more respect for you if, after being flattened, you jump back up (sometimes in a bit of pain) and go back in for the ball. If you win it then the respect is tenfold. If six blokes decide to fly the flag for you and the opposition take the ball away (easily), no-one's going to be happy.

It's what's known as proactive attack. You attack the opposition by showing no weakness - physical or mental.

verbs i really do not believe you get hit because youre small and you put your head over the ball... i think its another reason.

i also think the rest of your team mates back each other....


but then again im not there to know for sure.. just guessing...


and its a team sport.. which means simmo isnt out there on his own.. and part of playing with a team is you all play for each other.. and you all look out for each other...the players share a common bond.. its called a team...

thats what happens in team sports...

and youre not being flattened by footballers.. who go to the gym .. youre being flattened by bananas..

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I'm also one of the quietest fellas out there. Prefer to act rather than yack on.

The blokes who whinge about every little bump are the ones who quickly lose respect.

King hits and any behind the play cowardly acts are a different matter.

What happened to Simpson was purely a part of play.

Get up. Go again.

Youre exactly what we need....

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Richie Vandenberg?

What happened to Simpson was intimidation, agree the level of physical threat was minimal but it was more a mental victory that Milburn was looking for and you have to stop that as you would a physical threat.
Milburn is also a serial offender in this area and its been his mode of operation vs us for a while now..he knows we have little to retaliate with so he keeps doing it like any cheap little bully boy would.

All the good GF winning teams have enforcers/protectors...Choco Williams went out of his way to get Pickett and Hardwick to toughen up his midfield and it worked....have a think about all the premiership teams...they always have one or two players to keep the bastards honest...we wont be successful until we either recruit or develop some players who have that edge to their game...

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Milburn on SOS was an interesting one. To pull out of that contest would've been soft by Milburn. So, whilst that part of it was unfortunate for SOS, it was just one of those things in footy.

The clapping as he went off was weak and showed no respect for the game and those who are genuinely tough.

Milburn thinks he's tough. What was the outcome on Saturday? I don't recall Simpson being flustered by it afterwards. I reckon Simpson's quite a bit tougher than most give him credit for.

I thought Simpson held his own and showed what he thought of Milburn's intimidation. At just 12 lb wringing wet, he still pushed and shoved as much as he got. He hardly looked intimidated. On the contrary i thought Milburn looked a goose for trying to upset a midget.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

What good is getting angry and throwing your weight around if it unsettles your match play? Not everyone is Greg Williams.

The umpires would have pounced on any of our players retaliating quicker than we could have blinked. Nothing our guys could have done in that instance or game. Has anyone realised how Hamill is protected when he plays us, especially when McKay used to man him. Milburn will just have to be patient....I'm sure he'll get what is coming.

PS. Campo will also be the same people, a protected species when we play, that you can bet on.

Hope Milburn sticks around for a couple of years yet. I'd love to see Setanta in 2 years time 'squaring up' for incidents like this. Wouldt it further endear Setanta to Blues fans if he cleaned up Millburn. Thought Simmo held his own but Milburn probably had the moral victory.

Where are David Rhys Jones, Wayne Johnston and Diesel when we need them? if Diesel was still playing the incident would have gone unnoticed. 20 mins later there would have been an innocuous pack somewhere on the wing. When the players all untangled themselves Diesel would have gone unnoticed and Milburn would have been left on the ground at the bottom of the pack bleeding waiting for the stretcher! 1 all!

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Diesel was certaintly good at that.

I'm not interested in any of our players dealing out any treatment to Campo....seems a bit immature just to whack a ex player for the sake of it..

I'd like to see French, Waite or one of our other bigger players stick it to Milburn or any other would be aggressors..its important to let your young smalls know they are protected and I dont care about freekicks ..flying the flag for your buddies and keeping Simpson,Murphys etc head over the footy is what its all about ..a few free kicks could be a good investment for down the track..we want Milburn and his mates worrying about where our blokes are rather than the other way around...
Josh Hunt was another player who had a push and shove with our blokes last year and likes to intimidate little fellas...
David Rhys Jones, Dominator, Greg Williams....how spoilt we were...wouldnt take crap from anyone....thats how its got to be if you want success...opposing players have to respect you and Milburn and co dont respect the Carlton football club and that makes my blood boil....

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