I like Fish!

Fish was my sole highlight from last year - he turned my legs to jelly. Fish sharking packs while others were floundering - I had a whale of a time watching him flying. Fish cod be anything - he's really helping this club tuna round

* mumbles apologies and leaves *

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Fisher reads the play exceptionally well.This part of his game is underated.

His weakness is the depth of his kicking.

And and...........

in the morning....the sun rises from the east..........
and then sets in the WEST.........!


kindest regards tommi

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All I have to do is watch Fish play, think about what we got him for, when we got him - and I just smile.

As for Waite, see my sig.

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Re: Longmuir......not sure of his present status or if he is ElectricB's marked man for no senior games this year but I would try him down back in a Ang Christou type role off half back. He is on the list and like any player deserves some development time put into him.
He isnt physical but either was Ang, he could take some good marks across half back and maybe develop his game a bit more....his skill level is ok and while I have reservations about his ability to take a hard bump i think we have nothing to lose....Teague and McGrath are handy players but dont give you much drive and Longmuir could be a handy target at kick ins...


re: Jarrod Waite....like his game but doesnt have the engine for onball work and lacks a yard.....I would try him at CHB...I know he has been there before and not impressed but I would persist with him....good players down the spine make for a good team....

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Ang was taller than Longmuir and could pinch hit as a KPP defender (though he never really had to).

As for Waite, he would excell in the middle, we won't need him in a KPP spot soon

He'll get his engine up to scratch, the wheels are sensational for his size.

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Ang was taller than Longmuir but unlike Fisher for example played smaller and wasnt great in the air and maybe his crook back was from us sending him out to pinch hit on bigger stronger players...Angs go was providing drive, getting on his own and then woofing it down to Kouta or Sticks..
Longmuir plays taller and his strength is being able to outmark slightly taller opponents...
I just think Pagan and the coaching staff need to get a bit more lateral in their thinking..Lance to CHB is about as lateral as we have got on a regular basis.......I liken Waite to Pavlich...Pavlich started at CHB to do his apprenticeship and then went and had some time on the ball and is now down forward...I think Waite should do the same but I am less enthusiastic
about having him on the ball as I dont think he is as mobile as Pavlich ...I hope he proves me wrong and you right Jimmae...

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Ang (at 192cm) is in fact 1 cm taller than his great mate Kouta, although you would never know it from his aerial work, never noted for his overhead marking - became reasonably efficient with spoil - but I wouldn't have wanted to stake my life on his efforts.

As Elwood correctly states his go was picking up the 3rd or 4th forward and providing the link up option and running the ball out of the half back line and with a gigantic woof would more often than not land just beyond the CHF position where Sticks would either mark it or knock it to our crumbers.

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When comparing mobility between Pavlich and Waite, you're only guessing that Waite isn't as mobile. Waite is a mobile big man, with the ability to play wing.

I remember those two chasing a misdirected kick on the wing one time, and I could see that Waite would have the nod on that one (although a close call), and as for jumping, they are really close, with Waite being a bit more flexible once in the air adjusting for change of direction, but I would say that Pavlich is a better kick either foot.

Waite is mobile.


As for the perception that Ange was never noted for his aerial marking, doesn't mean he wasn't a good overhead mark. He proved to be a very good mark in 1994-1995. He took lots of marks in front of packs, middle and third man up. Sure he required for a different role, as mentioned, because he had pace, and was a very good kick to position. Later on, post back injury (or rather comeback with a suspect back) he become a spoiler as he lost his leap and therefore ability to consistently get two hands on the ball in a pack situation, and he wasn't standing in front of packs anymore.

The point I want to reflect on moreso about Ange is that he may not have had the right body type to put himself in those precarious marking positions and handle the bigger bodies, hence the back problem. He did not possess a KPP's body type.

It does take a certain bodytype to play KPP.

As for Longmuir, no comment, but very interested in TCers discussion on him. What's his pace like? He could make a BP ossibly if he has more pace than McGrath. Don't get me wrong, McGrath's position in my books is safe at this stage...maybe not come year's end.

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I wouldnt call it guessing..I would suggest Pavlich was very successful as a on baller during his time there and had both the mobility and engine which was superior to Jarrod Waite.....several time last season Waite was left floundering when chasing players.....you put him in the middle and have him on either Judd , Cousins or Kerr for example becuase thats who he would get for example vs West Coast..that could get ugly......

Marking wise I dont disagree...Pavlich gets a lot his marks on the lead and uncontested, his duel with the underated Matthew Egan from Geelong was worth watching in the NAB cup semi final..I though Egan had him covered in the body on body stuff but Pavlich was too quick and smart on the lead...Waite does throw himself around more in markiing contests and is probably better value...kicking wise...Pavlich has the edge in general field kicking and has nice skills for a player of his size but dont rate Pavlich that highly in front of goal..misses plenty and misses them under pressure and thats why he isnt at the same level as say Jonothan Brown or James Hird...

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Eddie Betts is a very good snapper....

what's that got to do with the price of fish?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Well, you see, I originally thought he would flounder this early in his career...

Longmuir was a failure at Melbourne, a failure in the west and he will be a failure at Carlton, he cannot play to this level, lets move on and look forward.

Well put Elwood.

I can't dispute a word of what you had to say...including the floundering part (although the whole team seemed to have that disease last year).


My point really is to suggest that Waite is mobile for a big man, and with an improvement in stamina, and a bit of midfield coaching he would be capable of playing there effectively.

I have no hesitation in suggesting that whilst Judd, Cousins and Kerr do prove a challenge for all comers in the midfield, Waite would have marking as an advantage over them, and from there being as potent as a linkman, but in a different way.

Great game footy. It takes all types to play it.

Thanks for your succinct and spot on response Elwood.

I wish your team ALL the luck in 2006.

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Tough call Earl.
Melbourne were keen to retain Troy but he wanted to return home.

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Is easily 192, I reackon a little taller than that, have stood next to him and he is clearly taller than me. I'm 190 ish. Your right though doesn't look anywhere near as big on the ground, when he gets some more bulk on in a few years he will look it.