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Honestly I think Hall got on top as Lance tired but at the end of the day our boy won the personal contest. We missed Fisher, Lappin and Waite badly tonight as they would have cleaned up as you already stated Fev was dragging defenders up the ground.


Yeah. Was an awesome game by Whitnall, and I'm surprised Lappin was played. Should never have stepped over the white line.


Was a different injury. He was fit to play.


Co-incidence? I don't think so.

What are the two injuries he has now?


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AC joint tonight. Shoulder.

Hamstring last week. Leg.


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Verbs he hurt the shoulder in a pretty hard collision early in the night.

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One player, can't remember who, said a few weeks ago "the only possessions that count are contested possessions." Which is exactly correct in the modern game. Uncontested games are irrelevant.


I can't agree with that. Those uncontested possessions won them the game. They slowed the game down and squashed our run and momentum. Half way through the last quarter the coach, captain, vice, somebody had to say lets put the zone away, play man on man, take a risk to try and win the game.

Eddie Betts running back and forward between Barry and blondie is only making Eddie tired.


Sorry, I should have explained myself better. I meant that uncontested possessions are irrelevant, when it comes to determining who played well. It used to be that you could look at the stats at the end of the game, and the player with the highest number of possessions was the best player that day (unless someone kicked a bag). That is no longer the case.

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Fev is our most important player.

With French.


And in my opinion would be close to winning the BnF at this early stage.

Loved his vigour... put abit of doubt in their heads.

Wont get anything for that if the tribunal has any sense of credibility.

Keep it up Fev!!!... i think he is setting the tone.


For sure Fev is the superstar at Carlton. Put the ball in front of him and watch him go to work.


Let Murphy put the ball in front of him and he is even better.


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But the Game.. we did that to have a zillion players back to help Lance on Hall...

If we were playing man on man... Eddie wouldnt be running back n forth now would he????

Cos we had less players up front and more down back.
What they were trying to do is play with less forwards and more through the midfield.

So even though we held Hall it was because we flooded that CHF/FF area and they were moving the ball around the flanks to blokes like Davis and Oluaghlan.

So when were doing that..... (I mean flooding that defensive area .. of course its just Fev and Eddie chasing in the forward line.. and they have the numbers through the midfield to chip it around till they break us down.

You cant have your cake and eat it can you?


So when Lance stands on his man all night and beats him he is no good because he is getting help from his team mates. When he zones off his opponent or is the loose man in defence to help out his team mates in defence he is no good.
Look I was in the trade Whitnall camp and the end of last year. Our backline was woeful last year. After 3 rounds this year we will probably have the lowest combined score kicked against us. Two things have changed, we have a gameplan that is conducive to low scoring for and against and Lance has been in the backline.
You can bag the shit out of him all year but he will be leading our B&F after 3 rounds and nobody else. Does a B&F matter? Of course not, Kouta won that last year and he is no good.


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Whitnall beat Hall, help from teammates or not.

Like I said in another thread, all I noticed about Leo Barry is that he got 1000's of touches from playing kick to kick in the back 50. He also had hold of Fev's jumper in almost every marking contest, and also deserves a medal for the most ludicrous "marking attempt" to not be penalised in the history of the AFL. Sure, he got a fingertip to the ball, but he was already back on the ground by then, a joke.

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Whitnall has been a revelation at CHB this year. His reading of the play has been superb and he is in career best physical shape. He also appears to have picked up a yard or two in pace as a result.

I'm sure he will get reamed at some stage, but we wouldn't have full forwards kicking 100 goals a year if the odd full back didn't get reamed occasionally.

He did a fine job on Barry Hall last night, and to be honest I didn't see too many 2 on 1 contests with Hall last night. Most of them seemed to be Hall V Whitnall one on one, with Whitnall taking front or side on position.


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Doc Larkins thinks Lappin could be out for a few weeks. :cry:


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Doc Larkins thinks Lappin could be out for a few weeks. :cry:


Yeah, it was a shoulder. These things happen.


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jbee wrote:
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But the Game.. we did that to have a zillion players back to help Lance on Hall...

If we were playing man on man... Eddie wouldnt be running back n forth now would he????

Cos we had less players up front and more down back.
What they were trying to do is play with less forwards and more through the midfield.

So even though we held Hall it was because we flooded that CHF/FF area and they were moving the ball around the flanks to blokes like Davis and Oluaghlan.

So when were doing that..... (I mean flooding that defensive area .. of course its just Fev and Eddie chasing in the forward line.. and they have the numbers through the midfield to chip it around till they break us down.

You cant have your cake and eat it can you?


So when Lance stands on his man all night and beats him he is no good because he is getting help from his team mates. When he zones off his opponent or is the loose man in defence to help out his team mates in defence he is no good.
Look I was in the trade Whitnall camp and the end of last year. Our backline was woeful last year. After 3 rounds this year we will probably have the lowest combined score kicked against us. Two things have changed, we have a gameplan that is conducive to low scoring for and against and Lance has been in the backline.
You can bag the shit out of him all year but he will be leading our B&F after 3 rounds and nobody else. Does a B&F matter? Of course not, Kouta won that last year and he is no good.
Good thing we didn't trade Lance and Fev as alot of supporters wanted!!!!!!! Yep, getting rid of two big key PP players would have been a real winner and easily replaced through the draft!! Generally speaking, supporters, while meaning well, are not always the best places to go for a clear, unemotional opinion.


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jbee wrote:
Synbad wrote:
But the Game.. we did that to have a zillion players back to help Lance on Hall...

If we were playing man on man... Eddie wouldnt be running back n forth now would he????

Cos we had less players up front and more down back.
What they were trying to do is play with less forwards and more through the midfield.

So even though we held Hall it was because we flooded that CHF/FF area and they were moving the ball around the flanks to blokes like Davis and Oluaghlan.

So when were doing that..... (I mean flooding that defensive area .. of course its just Fev and Eddie chasing in the forward line.. and they have the numbers through the midfield to chip it around till they break us down.

You cant have your cake and eat it can you?


So when Lance stands on his man all night and beats him he is no good because he is getting help from his team mates. When he zones off his opponent or is the loose man in defence to help out his team mates in defence he is no good.
Look I was in the trade Whitnall camp and the end of last year. Our backline was woeful last year. After 3 rounds this year we will probably have the lowest combined score kicked against us. Two things have changed, we have a gameplan that is conducive to low scoring for and against and Lance has been in the backline.
You can bag the shit out of him all year but he will be leading our B&F after 3 rounds and nobody else. Does a B&F matter? Of course not, Kouta won that last year and he is no good.
Good thing we didn't trade Lance and Fev as alot of supporters wanted!!!!!!! Yep, getting rid of two big key PP players would have been a real winner and easily replaced through the draft!! Generally speaking, supporters, while meaning well, are not always the best places to go for a clear, unemotional opinion. They tend to think for the moment only.


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jbee wrote:
Synbad wrote:
But the Game.. we did that to have a zillion players back to help Lance on Hall...

If we were playing man on man... Eddie wouldnt be running back n forth now would he????

Cos we had less players up front and more down back.
What they were trying to do is play with less forwards and more through the midfield.

So even though we held Hall it was because we flooded that CHF/FF area and they were moving the ball around the flanks to blokes like Davis and Oluaghlan.

So when were doing that..... (I mean flooding that defensive area .. of course its just Fev and Eddie chasing in the forward line.. and they have the numbers through the midfield to chip it around till they break us down.

You cant have your cake and eat it can you?


So when Lance stands on his man all night and beats him he is no good because he is getting help from his team mates. When he zones off his opponent or is the loose man in defence to help out his team mates in defence he is no good.
Look I was in the trade Whitnall camp and the end of last year. Our backline was woeful last year. After 3 rounds this year we will probably have the lowest combined score kicked against us. Two things have changed, we have a gameplan that is conducive to low scoring for and against and Lance has been in the backline.
You can bag the shit out of him all year but he will be leading our B&F after 3 rounds and nobody else. Does a B&F matter? Of course not, Kouta won that last year and he is no good.
Good thing we didn't trade Lance and Fev as alot of supporters wanted!!!!!!! Yep, getting rid of two big key PP players would have been a real winner and easily replaced through the draft!! Generally speaking, supporters, while meaning well, are not always the best places to go for a clear, unemotional opinion. They tend to think for the moment only.


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Oops!!! Sorry for the multiple posts. Don't know what happened there.


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jim wrote:
Oops!!! Sorry for the multiple posts. Don't know what happened there.


I think you have made your point. Never wanted Fev traded but WAS happy to see Lance traded.


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