Brave statement that one

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Shit, it could be much much worse.

This morning's paper could have Smorgon saying that winning games is the number one priority for our football club and that given our parlous financial situation, we don't have the luxury of adopting a 'Hawthorn-like' youth policy.

OK, so Smorgon has all the diplomacy of George Patton and he shouldn't have bagged Pagan publicly... very poor form.

But at least we're arguing over the way he delivered his message, and not the content.

i dont think its brave.
Brave was laving what was comfortable at the time and biting the bullet.

whether it was not having a succesion plan on the board and not bringing in fresh blood.
Having jokes like Campo as leaders of this club.

Not using the draft system for it was designed to do.
That you cant just come up the ladder without the right players as your product


Not growing the brand in promotion enough...

Collo made alot of mistakes.. and it was time to go.. and it has happened.
The problem is we dont have people on the board that can make things happen..,.(arring Mathieson) and i did say he was the only one that can make things happen months ago.
That we need to heal the rifts to make us a strong club again instead of factions.


I hope we just get with the times and forget about putting a dollar each way to feel safe.

I hope smorgon doesnt panic if we finish low again ...

This is a process that takes some nerve and patience.... and a heap of hard work and nouse.

Just wont happen because were Carlton.

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Yes and no. This can easily lead to a split between the Football Department and the Board (if this is not already the case) which is bad and can impede our progress. It undermines the coaches authority which might rub off on the players.

Look its just purely political posteuring... but its shithouse.

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Cast your mind back to when DP was apopointed new coach by the Jack, but pre black Friday - Denis said he was looking forward to getting some great new talent via picks 1 and 2, not "Gee Ya know I can't wait tyo trade those two picks for a couple of duds from off the Kangaroos veteran list"

Anybody who thinks DP doesn't know how to identify and develop young talent simply doesn't understand football. He is the master at it and so far the players he's got to the club who are currently playing appear to be quality.

Smorgan saying what he has is just stating the bleeding obvious and to me doesn't score high points with first impressions.

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You really dont get it do you???

If i was on the board and you were coach and you said... "Im going to do this and that "

I would say "Why?"

You would have to explain to me why...


and because im running a football club and it all boils down to what members will do.. sponsors do.. etc... Ill give you the green light or the red light... depending on what i believe the fall out will be..,

But a board has a few people on it so as to discuss and absorb the full impact of such a decision.

Also the board is respnsible for all decisions away from the park..

So the board is responsible!!!!

But you dont get it do you??....

Im not interested in whether you get it.. as long as everyone else understands...

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I am absolutely fed up with this constant Carlton bashing so much so that i have come to the decision as of today, i will stop reading any article regarding the Carlton Football Club in the print/electronic media and turn the dial or channel when our club is mentioned.

Every journo out there is trying to get a story about our plight. During the week Hutchi, Tony Jones and Dwayne Russel all desperately trying to find an angle when interviewing to create some controversy and a story that honestly i cant care more about. I for one am sick of it and will not listen or read any of this crap any longer.

I have faith and trust in this current board and willing to give them a fair go and support them as they begin to rebuild my club, together we can bring the Carlton Football Club back to the top of the mantle.

And how obvious was it by round 17 last year when we suddenly started to play good, committed football, winning games and playing highly competitve footy in others. It was just a pity we had to "tank" the last two games. Thank god someones "sorted" Pagan out as we had 3 years of him to come and no real ability to pay him out if much of last year continued. Would've killed us completely.

Who knows? Maybe the players will decide to support Pagan after having him bagged by the President.

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The media will get off our backs when we stop acting B grade... no not B grade "from B- all the way down to Z grade"

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What was this idiot smorgon thinking when he decided to publicly bag the coach he'd just re-signed for another couple of seasons?

How must Pagan be feeling given he's just taken a paycut so he can be publicly portrayed as an idiot by his employers.

Two steps fwd by not commenting about Eliott and the past, one step back for ruining club unity (perceived or otherwise) by bagging the coach

See thats why the club is heading nowhere.
Smorgon had to take the bull by the balls and own his presidenship by giving us a plan and not making excuses and fingerpointing/
Fingerpointing runs rife at Carlton.. Elliot this board... this board Elliot.. Pagan the list.. players Pagan..
Smorgan joins in and points at Pagan...
Collo points at Kouta...
Allsion and Kouta point at Collo..
Campo points at Pagan...

Assistants point at players list

We all point at the media...


Noone has the board to claim ownership and say enough is enough!!!!

By the way by Smorgon blaming Pagans un-youth policy he is already lining up the excuses......

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What's wrong with any of this?

We did adopt a youth policy and we should have done so earlier.
Pagan did have to change his style and should have done so earlier.
They are admitting that the Board is at fault for not enforcing this earlier.

It's better than Smorgon standing up and telling us life is rosy and no mistakes have been made.
The board have made some screw ups, the coaches have made plenty but hopefully we are heading in the right direction.

Honest appraisals and good hard looks in the mirror were well overdue all round.

The biggest mistake this board have made is having no faith in the supporters.
If the board are honest, transparent and not negotiable in rebuilding the club, the supporters will stick with them.
We'll soon see how much courage Smorgon has. Being a good president isnt about being popular, it's about going in one direction and having the leadership skills to take everyone with you.

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I reckon what is wrong with it is that he placing all of the blame on the feet of another just in case it all goes pear shape.

I agree about direction and honesty.. but is he being honest about everything he himself has had a hand in???


Each time i had a word with Smorgon and Co it was "We have to win each game or we will go under"

Thats what Denis tried to do too... because lets face it... that was the board directive!!!

Now they might think all of our questions are answered as we will get the AFl to give us money.

I want each and every member on the board to wake up and say to themself.. "What can i do to make Carlton great again today!!"
Not blame other people on past mistakes made by all...

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If anything, my reading of this is that he's saying the directive itself came late - which isn't blaming the coach. I'm sorry but I don't see what you blokes are on about….

Synbad - Smorgon could have got up & said anything & you'd find something to be pissed off about big fella

Agree with BV, not much wrong with what was said.

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What's wrong is if they think the coach is such an idiot that the board has to tell him how to do his job then why bother keeping him? Why tell everyone publicly that our coach does not know what he's doing then put him charge of the team for the next couple of years?

I cannot understand what benefit Carlton will gain by Smorgon publicly bagging the coach, it is a loose:loose situation...

The reason why i dont think hes any good is because i know what he is like.

And no thats not true.

All he has to do is outline what we will do not what he says others have [REDACTED] up doing...

In my opinion he looks for excuses

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He didn't publicly bag the coach

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Are we jumping at shadows a bit here? I dont think he has publically shafted the coach! Maybe he is saying some of the things we all wanted to hear a year or 2 ago coming from a president. I know he has only been in the job for 5 minutes and that he is taking the credit for a predecessor, but I've always wanted to hear my president tell me where we are going!

I thought the last bit was the most interesting. The bit where he alludes to the all conquering AFL juggernaut snapping up all of the sponsorship/memberships whatever and the clubs being left to fight it out for the scraps. I still dont understand why the AFL needs to be so powerfull, arent they just there to run the competition and support the clubs? It seems that the league just gets stronger and stronger whilst some of the clubs wither on the vine!!

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