You seem very honest Beano.

C'mon Sydney and Surrey, sometimes it seems like theres a horde mentality but you know what it's like - some more outspoken posters will join in on a view and the opposing views just go quiet because it's a) not worth arguing b) not enough time or c) clear that its just a differing opinion. I just gave up defending Beaumont as a player.

What irks some posters as simplistic answers to the big ones of 'Why are we still down the bottom?' - pagan is sh!t is not on its own an answer.

I think there are alot of people who question pagan's worth and we should all do it every day, against what we may need now, what he's doing, who he's developing, if they're developing etc.

But back onto Setanta, its clear that someone who makes obvious mistakes but does some very very good things that are a little less showy created divergent opinion. I look past the mistakes because he will learn, eventually. His very very good things and his athletic ability make him worth persevering for for years IMHO, even if he mucks up a hell of a lot.

We are discussing football GWS - why do we have to bring facts into it.

So forget all about Facts this is all about opinion and if you want to use facts make them suit your arguement

All I am saying is seeing this is just a football discussion board why not state your opinion as fact to try and better your arguement .

Ryan, to be honest I am not sure about AIsake at all, the pies link came from the camp tehy had here about 6 years ago, Aisake would have been too young, but I also think the pies came in late for Setanta when he first went out there so you might have got it from that, they may then have made a move for Aisake also.

Hey Beano, got a twitch happening there with the same post coming up 3 times.

Well.................we got both so F@%&#! Em!

I'd love the CFC and Sydney to come up with some kind of makerting campain and play a game between each other in Dublin........maybe a pre-season game or just an expo match (similar to the likes of the London matches or the recent LA match.)

Could you imagine Setanta & Aisakie lining up for the Blues Vs Sydney with Kennelly @ Croke Park.............WOULD GO OFF!

I'd love to go back to Dublin one day and if a match like that was gonna take place i'd be there in a heartbeat!

y-y-y-y-y-yeah, I d-d-d-do

Actually the more rubbish I read about Setanta at times it's more like its developing into tourettes.

Who was at Williamstown when Setanta kicked 7 goals from FF?

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he takes this stuff, for a long time, by one ex player

To be honest I can think of one or two ex carlton boys, Mr. Norman and his mate who weren’t ½ as committed or as mentally tough

Give us a clue beano.

Anyway, Setanta is on the way, and one thing about guys who come halfway round the world to play a foreign game, they are likely to be really mentally tough. Think of some of the AFL sooks who won't even move interstate.

He won the brownlow

First name starting with J ?

Makes you wonder if Setanta's opponent is the designated 'go-to man' for the opposition - Murphy yesterday, and McVeigh late in the 3rd quarter/early 4th quarter last week.