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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:49 pm 
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Coach and his assistants are a massive problem and change needs to occur. No discernible defensive game plan. Our coaches think they can just forget about defence and out score the opposition. How is that going? 4-8. Not well. Every other coaches box would be laughing at us and requesting two matches against us each year.
I wish our issues ended there with the coaches but they don’t.
Our players do not want it enough. They’re not desperate. Players shouldn’t require coaches to motivate them but seemingly ours do. They looked pretty motivated to me when Teague took over from Bolton. Now back to the same old shit. We can have great tactical coaches and that will help us improve but it’s a house of cards until our players toughen up and play hungry. Every player, every week.
And don’t get me started on the management team that thought we were on the cusp at the end of 2020 so gave away our draft capital and massive contracts to Saad and Williams. Completely overrated where we are at. Do they have the capacity to appoint the next coach? These ones appointed Teague so need to take responsibility for that.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:54 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:59 pm 
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david31 wrote:
Coach and his assistants are a massive problem and change needs to occur. No discernible defensive game plan. Our coaches think they can just forget about defence and out score the opposition. How is that going? 4-8. Not well. Every other coaches box would be laughing at us and requesting two matches against us each year.
I wish our issues ended there with the coaches but they don’t.
Our players do not want it enough. They’re not desperate. Players shouldn’t require coaches to motivate them but seemingly ours do. They looked pretty motivated to me when Teague took over from Bolton. Now back to the same old shit. We can have great tactical coaches and that will help us improve but it’s a house of cards until our players toughen up and play hungry. Every player, every week.
And don’t get me started on the management team that thought we were on the cusp at the end of 2020 so gave away our draft capital and massive contracts to Saad and Williams. Completely overrated where we are at. Do they have the capacity to appoint the next coach? These ones appointed Teague so need to take responsibility for that.


I’m tipping the only two left at the end of the year from Judd down, will be Lloyd and Teague.

I wonder what Worsfold notes say?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:15 pm 
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The Normal One wrote:
david31 wrote:
Coach and his assistants are a massive problem and change needs to occur. No discernible defensive game plan. Our coaches think they can just forget about defence and out score the opposition. How is that going? 4-8. Not well. Every other coaches box would be laughing at us and requesting two matches against us each year.
I wish our issues ended there with the coaches but they don’t.
Our players do not want it enough. They’re not desperate. Players shouldn’t require coaches to motivate them but seemingly ours do. They looked pretty motivated to me when Teague took over from Bolton. Now back to the same old shit. We can have great tactical coaches and that will help us improve but it’s a house of cards until our players toughen up and play hungry. Every player, every week.
And don’t get me started on the management team that thought we were on the cusp at the end of 2020 so gave away our draft capital and massive contracts to Saad and Williams. Completely overrated where we are at. Do they have the capacity to appoint the next coach? These ones appointed Teague so need to take responsibility for that.


I’m tipping the only two left at the end of the year from Judd down, will be Lloyd and Teague.

I wonder what Worsfold notes say?


Worsfold let his players take drugs and he didn’t care as the eagles were
Winning !!

This loss was as bad if not worse when bolts loss to the drug cheats and he was sacked

We either have to coax Ross Lyon out of retirement or Paul Roos or mark Williams , these Players don’t respect Teague or the coaching staff

Teague sitting on the bench today with John barker calling the shots !!

Now that was comedy hour at its best , even David Chapelle laughed

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:17 pm 
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From rd 1, I have seen zero improvement at any level. Our skills are deplorable, our pressure is average, we leak goals. And not one of these areas has been improved. If anything they’ve got worse.
We’re destroying good footballers, there’s no initiative in the coaching box.
What a waste of 10 years of pain.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:18 pm 
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Bolton got the arse while playing the kids.

Not many excuses for Teague.

Cripps has gone backwards in a massive way since the change in coaches.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:19 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Bolton got the arse while playing the kids.

Not many excuses for Teague.

Cripps has gone backwards in a massive way since the change in coaches.


Not true - Bolton got the arse because he lost the players and on game day players were running around like headless chooks.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 pm 
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The only way I can see Teague keep his job is to challenge his current mind set and remove players who let their team mates down, stop playing under done players and invigorate the team with players that have a point of difference to those being replaced.

Secondly he needs to demonstrate some imagination ... some dare.

Stop playing Murphy and Martin who only play within a certain radius.

Stop playing Casboult who cannot get any separation from an opponent and cannot produce a second effort to goal assist.

Stop playing Newnes who gives us very little today and will give us less tomorrow.

Introduce the likes of Honey, Kemp and persist with Parkes.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:21 pm 
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Choco Williams. He’s the one I want. I wonder if he has any desire to be a senior coach again?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:25 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
players were running around like headless chooks.


I see headless chooks when I watch Carlton games at the moment.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:26 pm 
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Starting to think a guy like Lyon would shit it in with our list

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:29 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Walsh wrote:
players were running around like headless chooks.


I see headless chooks when I watch Carlton games at the moment.


If that was the case we would be beaten by 10 goals constantly.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:31 pm 
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Lyon is good but take Crowley and Barlow out and he choked big time.

He choked so bad he needed to rebuild. He doesnt have a Barlow and Crowley to work with. We need to win clearances thats it in a nutshell and need to bring better midfield talent into this squad and improve it


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:35 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Effes wrote:
Walsh wrote:
players were running around like headless chooks.


I see headless chooks when I watch Carlton games at the moment.


If that was the case we would be beaten by 10 goals constantly.


He's got a mature team; Weitering in his prime, Harry in his prime, Walsh and Cripps and we sit 4-8.

4-8

The club is a muddling mess under Teague.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:38 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Effes wrote:
Walsh wrote:
players were running around like headless chooks.


I see headless chooks when I watch Carlton games at the moment.


If that was the case we would be beaten by 10 goals constantly.


He's got a mature team; Weitering in his prime, Harry in his prime, Walsh and Cripps and we sit 4-8.

4-8

The club is a muddling mess under Teague.


A mature team that cant get on the park and train together. You named three players out of 22. Good work - now you may see where the problem is - we cant build a team culture and its the alpha and omega.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:39 pm 
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Starting to think a guy like Lyon would shit it in with our list

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3 years ago I would have run you out of town myself.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:39 pm 
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Just watched his press conference. Listening to him instills no confidence whatsoever that he believes in himself or knows what he’s doing. Umms and ahhs his way through questions and just keeps repeating that we’re not there and we need to get better. No shit Sherlock!


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:42 pm 
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And can I say after being pounded for suggesting we sound out Buckley to coach next year the last few weeks have fortified my opinion
Continually keeps his team in it by doing or coaching the defensive team basics and continually gets his side in finals and being competitive in finals
Those who come into the side know exactly what the team
Plan is and can fit in the role that they are placed in
Are these all thinjgs we don’t do presently


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:42 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
Just watched his press conference. Listening to him instills no confidence whatsoever that he believes in himself or knows what he’s doing. Umms and ahhs his way through questions and just keeps repeating that we’re not there and we need to get better. No shit Sherlock!


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I guess being honest with no cliches not going to keep people happy?

No shit Sherlock we are not good enough. We have the list but we are only going to be good enough with a healthy list otherwise more additions are required and that has its own risks but what can you do when our list is so brittle?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:47 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Lyon is good but take Crowley and Barlow out and he choked big time.

He choked so bad he needed to rebuild. He doesnt have a Barlow and Crowley to work with. We need to win clearances thats it in a nutshell and need to bring better midfield talent into this squad and improve it

Ross Lyon made players of
Baker , gwilt , Dawson , Barlow , Crowley , baker , umm how many more you want ??

If he walked into Carlton tomorrow as coach one thing is for certain , no one would shirk a contest and he will find 22 players who will all play for each other

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