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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:27 pm 
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So Treloar has nominated Richmond as his preferred destination - you'd think the Tigers would have to give up at least (plus extra) their first round draft pick to make this happen. This doesn't leave much currency for a Yarran trade to happen.
If they are interested in Yarran I wonder what they could/would be willing to offer us to make this trade happen? If it comes down to future draft picks we'd probably be better off holding on to Yazz for another year and taking the free agent compo from the AFL.
Hopefully another club is interested in him?


When did Treloar nominate Richmond?????


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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We may end up with Grimley and Sicily in a deal similar to Cheney/Lowden from last year...


Sicily has a heap of potential. I'd be keen to see him on our list.


Maybe the new coach could bring him over.
Can play


Playing for Hawks this weekend. Keen to see how he looks.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Us getting Sicily? Forgetaboutit..

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Humpers wrote:
So Treloar has nominated Richmond as his preferred destination - you'd think the Tigers would have to give up at least (plus extra) their first round draft pick to make this happen. This doesn't leave much currency for a Yarran trade to happen.
If they are interested in Yarran I wonder what they could/would be willing to offer us to make this trade happen? If it comes down to future draft picks we'd probably be better off holding on to Yazz for another year and taking the free agent compo from the AFL.
Hopefully another club is interested in him?


Or how about this:

"Chris, you're contracted next year. If you're that keen on leaving us, no trouble. We're going to see what the best possible offer is, and if we think that's fair you'll be traded to whichever club offers us that deal. If you don't like the sound of that, shut up and enjoy the Northern Blues in 2016. Of course, if you wanted to uphold your end of the bargain as a professional athlete, please come in and meet your new coach, maybe you'll find you'd like to play footy for him."


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Mate who commentates Box Hill games reckons Bolton was given permission to discuss "opportunities" with some of the more fringe players at Hawthorn before he left. Those were the 2 most likely to be given blessing to get opportunities elsewhere.

Thought Hawthorn were crazy taking Sicily ahead of Honeychurch a couple of years ago, but the development in his time at Box Hill has been fantastic. Watched a lot of his Foxtel Cup games last year - played like a more athletic version of Brad Fisher - great set of hands and led smartly both to the advantage of the ball user and clearing space in the forward line. Put on a bit more muscle this season too, looks the goods.

Few Hawthorn friends don't understand why Tim O'Brien gets a better run at it than he does, but concede that there's probably too many similarities to Gunston.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:06 pm 
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Megaman wrote:
Us getting Sicily? Forgetaboutit..


Just give him an offer he can't refuse !


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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deano35 wrote:
Humpers wrote:
So Treloar has nominated Richmond as his preferred destination - you'd think the Tigers would have to give up at least (plus extra) their first round draft pick to make this happen. This doesn't leave much currency for a Yarran trade to happen.
If they are interested in Yarran I wonder what they could/would be willing to offer us to make this trade happen? If it comes down to future draft picks we'd probably be better off holding on to Yazz for another year and taking the free agent compo from the AFL.
Hopefully another club is interested in him?


When did Treloar nominate Richmond?????


Kevin Barlett mentioned it on the radio yesterday morning, but didn't mention the box seat.

On Channel 7 news they mentioned that Richmond are also preparing to offer Kruezer an offer and possibly Collingwood too.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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limestone wrote:
Megaman wrote:
Us getting Sicily? Forgetaboutit..


Just give him an offer he can't refuse !


:lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Hopefully between SOS-GWS and Bolton-Hawthorn we might be able to pick up some good young talent at a discount in the next couple of years.

Development should receive a boost as well.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Jez1966 wrote:
deano35 wrote:
Humpers wrote:
So Treloar has nominated Richmond as his preferred destination - you'd think the Tigers would have to give up at least (plus extra) their first round draft pick to make this happen. This doesn't leave much currency for a Yarran trade to happen.
If they are interested in Yarran I wonder what they could/would be willing to offer us to make this trade happen? If it comes down to future draft picks we'd probably be better off holding on to Yazz for another year and taking the free agent compo from the AFL.
Hopefully another club is interested in him?


When did Treloar nominate Richmond?????


Kevin Barlett mentioned it on the radio yesterday morning, but didn't mention the box seat.

On Channel 7 news they mentioned that Richmond are also preparing to offer Kruezer an offer and possibly Collingwood too.



..sos is mimicking franco cozzo, I feel sorry for Bolton.. ....sos is going to gut the list, I hope the board has made him aware that his job, and half his contract!!, is on the line here.. ..I'd hold half his contract back, and make it conditional upon set KPI's.. ....but i reckon they're so worried about losing future f/s recruits that sos has all power and no accountability.. ....very dangerous territory we are entering as a club, over the years we have pushed so many good players, out you'd think we'd have learned by now.. ..there is a better 'team' of kicked out ex-blue players than what we still have on our list..

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
Jez1966 wrote:
deano35 wrote:
Humpers wrote:
So Treloar has nominated Richmond as his preferred destination - you'd think the Tigers would have to give up at least (plus extra) their first round draft pick to make this happen. This doesn't leave much currency for a Yarran trade to happen.
If they are interested in Yarran I wonder what they could/would be willing to offer us to make this trade happen? If it comes down to future draft picks we'd probably be better off holding on to Yazz for another year and taking the free agent compo from the AFL.
Hopefully another club is interested in him?


When did Treloar nominate Richmond?????


Kevin Barlett mentioned it on the radio yesterday morning, but didn't mention the box seat.

On Channel 7 news they mentioned that Richmond are also preparing to offer Kruezer an offer and possibly Collingwood too.



..sos is mimicking franco cozzo, I feel sorry for Bolton.. ....sos is going to gut the list, I hope the board has made him aware that his job, and half his contract!!, is on the line here.. ..I'd hold half his contract back, and make it conditional upon set KPI's.. ....but i reckon they're so worried about losing future f/s recruits that sos has all power and no accountability.. ....very dangerous territory we are entering as a club, over the years we have pushed so many good players, out you'd think we'd have learned by now.. ..there is a better 'team' of kicked out ex-blue players than what we still have on our list..


Gut the list and go to the draft is the only way forward to a premiership, anything else is half arsed and bound to fail. Trade the players over 25 with value now, because in 5 years when we start playing finals again they won't be around and we would have got nothing for them. Trade now and we could get 4-5 quality players in that side in 5 years.
Quality players aren't going to nominate Carlton because we are shit, they need to see we have a bright future then things may change.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:01 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
Jez1966 wrote:
deano35 wrote:
Humpers wrote:
So Treloar has nominated Richmond as his preferred destination - you'd think the Tigers would have to give up at least (plus extra) their first round draft pick to make this happen. This doesn't leave much currency for a Yarran trade to happen.
If they are interested in Yarran I wonder what they could/would be willing to offer us to make this trade happen? If it comes down to future draft picks we'd probably be better off holding on to Yazz for another year and taking the free agent compo from the AFL.
Hopefully another club is interested in him?


When did Treloar nominate Richmond?????


Kevin Barlett mentioned it on the radio yesterday morning, but didn't mention the box seat.

On Channel 7 news they mentioned that Richmond are also preparing to offer Kruezer an offer and possibly Collingwood too.



..sos is mimicking franco cozzo, I feel sorry for Bolton.. ....sos is going to gut the list, I hope the board has made him aware that his job, and half his contract!!, is on the line here.. ..I'd hold half his contract back, and make it conditional upon set KPI's.. ....but i reckon they're so worried about losing future f/s recruits that sos has all power and no accountability.. ....very dangerous territory we are entering as a club, over the years we have pushed so many good players, out you'd think we'd have learned by now.. ..there is a better 'team' of kicked out ex-blue players than what we still have on our list..


Do you actually know something BKB or just hypothesising? IMO a bit hard to judge at the moment because nothing has actually happened. Let's see after trade week and the draft

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:17 pm 
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Carlton4Life wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
Jez1966 wrote:
deano35 wrote:
Humpers wrote:
So Treloar has nominated Richmond as his preferred destination - you'd think the Tigers would have to give up at least (plus extra) their first round draft pick to make this happen. This doesn't leave much currency for a Yarran trade to happen.
If they are interested in Yarran I wonder what they could/would be willing to offer us to make this trade happen? If it comes down to future draft picks we'd probably be better off holding on to Yazz for another year and taking the free agent compo from the AFL.
Hopefully another club is interested in him?


When did Treloar nominate Richmond?????


Kevin Barlett mentioned it on the radio yesterday morning, but didn't mention the box seat.

On Channel 7 news they mentioned that Richmond are also preparing to offer Kruezer an offer and possibly Collingwood too.



..sos is mimicking franco cozzo, I feel sorry for Bolton.. ....sos is going to gut the list, I hope the board has made him aware that his job, and half his contract!!, is on the line here.. ..I'd hold half his contract back, and make it conditional upon set KPI's.. ....but i reckon they're so worried about losing future f/s recruits that sos has all power and no accountability.. ....very dangerous territory we are entering as a club, over the years we have pushed so many good players, out you'd think we'd have learned by now.. ..there is a better 'team' of kicked out ex-blue players than what we still have on our list..


Gut the list and go to the draft is the only way forward to a premiership, anything else is half arsed and bound to fail. Trade the players over 25 with value now, because in 5 years when we start playing finals again they won't be around and we would have got nothing for them. Trade now and we could get 4-5 quality players in that side in 5 years.
Quality players aren't going to nominate Carlton because we are shit, they need to see we have a bright future then things may change.



....but it will be half arsed.. ....pushing our only good ruck, 26 yrs old, combined with trading out hendo, another tall at 25, is gutting the list of it's spine (what spine we actually have).. ....what makes you think we will make the finals in fives years time if we do this..?.. ..we won't attract good players due to being a strong club, we will only get those chasing a retirement fund.. ..and those kind of deals send you backwards, not forwards..

..over the last few years we have been losing too many senior players.. ....your strategy works if we also manage to cash in on one, or both of,, murphy and Gibbs.. ..in a couple of years we won't have Jamo, simmo, walker.. ..and Murphy won't play long past 30 because he will be a wreck.. ..ditto DT.. ..we won't have any experience, and will tumble back down.. ..we won't have any good ruck to lift the midfielders around him, and that will mean they will get bashed and crashed inside the stoppages.. ..and half the good talent we draft will go elsewhere for success..

..gut the list, cash in on what you can, and it is a very long road back.. ..forget about using saints or dogs as a comparison, we don't have their leaders.. ..also, saints aren't as good as some believe, and the dogs got the f/s lottery to fast track them..

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:20 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
Jez1966 wrote:
deano35 wrote:
Humpers wrote:
So Treloar has nominated Richmond as his preferred destination - you'd think the Tigers would have to give up at least (plus extra) their first round draft pick to make this happen. This doesn't leave much currency for a Yarran trade to happen.
If they are interested in Yarran I wonder what they could/would be willing to offer us to make this trade happen? If it comes down to future draft picks we'd probably be better off holding on to Yazz for another year and taking the free agent compo from the AFL.
Hopefully another club is interested in him?


When did Treloar nominate Richmond?????


Kevin Barlett mentioned it on the radio yesterday morning, but didn't mention the box seat.

On Channel 7 news they mentioned that Richmond are also preparing to offer Kruezer an offer and possibly Collingwood too.



..sos is mimicking franco cozzo, I feel sorry for Bolton.. ....sos is going to gut the list, I hope the board has made him aware that his job, and half his contract!!, is on the line here.. ..I'd hold half his contract back, and make it conditional upon set KPI's.. ....but i reckon they're so worried about losing future f/s recruits that sos has all power and no accountability.. ....very dangerous territory we are entering as a club, over the years we have pushed so many good players, out you'd think we'd have learned by now.. ..there is a better 'team' of kicked out ex-blue players than what we still have on our list..


Do you actually know something BKB or just hypothesising? IMO a bit hard to judge at the moment because nothing has actually happened. Let's see after trade week and the draft


..just trying to read between the lines psych.... ..but very early this season it's been a 'grand sale'.... ..sos is getting paid very very well, and he's an unproven list manager.. ..if his capability hinges upon early picks, he's a waste of money..

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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I think you're getting ahead of yourself BKB. Kruezer hasn't left and we still have a good base of Gibbs Cripps Docherty Murphy Buckley Graham Walker Jaksch Simpson Sheehan Byrne Tuohy Casboult plus some kids that may still make it.

With that group, the right Coaching, Development and List management I still believe things can change fairly quickly.

Also, don't judge SOS just yet. He can't be any worse than what we have had for the past decade.

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ThePsychologist wrote:
I think you're getting ahead of yourself BKB. Kruezer hasn't left and we still have a good base of Gibbs Cripps Docherty Murphy Buckley Graham Walker Jaksch Simpson Sheehan Byrne Tuohy Casboult plus some kids that may still make it.

With that group, the right Coaching, Development and List management I still believe things can change fairly quickly.

Also, don't judge SOS just yet. He can't be any worse than what we have had for the past decade.



..no he hasn't, but it sounds like he wants to stay, but the static says we'd rather cash in..

..walker and simmo have a couple of years left, maximum.. ..the jury is still out on the new Irish lads, and Bolt is still a role player (though I am hopeful),, Buckley looks good but is bottom six in a good team.. ..in a year or two, IF krooz is another pushed out,, the only quality we will have on our list in the right ages and games' experience will be Murphy and Gibbs, maybe DT is he doesn't continue to Break down..

..we have already she'd he players we should have cashed in on, but didn't.. ...this is what makes us different from the other clubs that did cash in.. ..we lost quality for no gain, they did..

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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
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I think you're getting ahead of yourself BKB. Kruezer hasn't left and we still have a good base of Gibbs Cripps Docherty Murphy Buckley Graham Walker Jaksch Simpson Sheehan Byrne Tuohy Casboult plus some kids that may still make it.

With that group, the right Coaching, Development and List management I still believe things can change fairly quickly.

Also, don't judge SOS just yet. He can't be any worse than what we have had for the past decade.



..no he hasn't, but it sounds like he wants to stay, but the static says we'd rather cash in..

..walker and simmo have a couple of years left, maximum.. ..the jury is still out on the new Irish lads, and Bolt is still a role player (though I am hopeful),, Buckley looks good but is bottom six in a good team.. ..in a year or two, IF krooz is another pushed out,, the only quality we will have on our list in the right ages and games' experience will be Murphy and Gibbs, maybe DT is he doesn't continue to Break down..

..we have already she'd he players we should have cashed in on, but didn't.. ...this is what makes us different from the other clubs that did cash in.. ..we lost quality for no gain, they did..


....and again that is the past when those decisions were made by different people. I'm prepared to give SOS & Bolton the opportunity to prove themselves.

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..next year, I don't think Bolton has much say now with sos's 2015 strategy.. ..has come in too late..

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sos has the ultimate power anyways - something the new coach had to agree to in order to get the job.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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emtwenty wrote:
sos has the ultimate power anyways - something the new coach had to agree to in order to get the job.


Bolton's strategy would of had to have been similar to that of SOS's or he wouldn't of got the job. IMO I reckon both don't rate many of our players at all and realise major changes need to be made

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