We shed good players for nothing, completely not SOS's fault and a fair indication of why a list manager is so important.

This club is starting to understand what 21st century football is all about, Bolton worked at a club that was stripped back with a plan to use the draft and build your base of players then pick the eyes out of mature recruits that filled weaknesses and then continued on with free agency.

I think Bolton and SOS are well and truly on the same page with the same philosophies so be prepared for a Kreuzer to be let go because of the price tag and the resultant compo. Anyone else that doesn't want to commit to be moved on and build a solid foundation.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

If Geelong finish 12th and Kreuzer walks and Richmond have woody for Yarran we could end up with picks 2, 3, 6 and 14.


However the bigger IF, is us picking the the right players with those picks.

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If Geelong finish 12th would be 8 and 15 (tigers in 5th) due to Kruezer compo moving other down spots I think.

Leunenberger compo in play also. Probably the Dangerfield pick as well.

The other issue is realizing that there aren't that many spots to trim on the list (at least without paying some blokes out). As good as the picks are, there's a danger that some of them are just inflating the value of what we pay for Rice and Silvagni.

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....I fully agree that damage was done before sos got here, but you can't just say he begins from a clean slate.... ..it's always a cumulative effect.. ....three year rebuild is really five years minimum, from where we're going to try and rebuild back from.. .....hawks got lucky by fooling freo and norf at the trade table, those days don't happen much now.. (unless vossy is involved)

..I think sos has his own page, and everyone else is being made to agree with it.. ....it's just another quick fix in a different way.. ....my worry with sos, is all he knows is early picks.... ....there is more to building a list than just early picks.... ..I reckon there is a lot of disconnect between on field and off field at the club.. ..morale is pretty low, or it seems to be to my eyes.. ..it's ok to put everyone on the trade table, but then you don't offload everyone.. ..its too much too fast, on the back of offloading half a dozen regular senior players in the last two years alone.. ....almost half a team in just a few seasons.. ..that's beyond what other clubs have done, and in such a crap culture as ours, it's really damaging.. ..I see us as being near five years away, of we go really hard I hunk we will be even further away.... ..we are a weak club, and our off field shambles still has a long way t go.. ..un'ike other clubs we are week on field for a decade culture wise, and have been a rabble off field too.. ....and we will get much worse if it goes badly for us..

..we don't have the recent history the other rebuilding clubs have that we get compared to on here..

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Also add in the fact that apparently there are three academy players that are top ten talents, thus diluting the top end talent to pick from.

..there's another big IF, and that is geelong giving their first rounder for Hendo if it drops that low..

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Your concern is very passionate. We are descending and will probably sink lower on field but the club has to start again somewhere... I couldn't even make it through games this year, it was diabolical, the game style was unwatchable.

At the very least, going heavy into the draft will give some hope. Geelong set up a dynasty off two great drafts and some father sons. Maybe we can too. Cripps and the hope we can replicate what others have, that's about all supporters have at the moment.

..whats our core to build around though..?.. ..murphy, Gibbs, crisps.. ..hopefully kj.. ..that will be it, IF krooz goes too.. ..some will say doc, and I think he should be a good player.. ..but not what I personally consider the type you build around.. ..you add him to the core.. ..but he isn't core material.. ..ditto others.. ..in my opinion you don't lose your core types.. ..OR, if you do, you are a strong enough club to weather the years in the wilderness.. ..which I doubt we are.... ..too much damage is done, we've already gutted the list for no real return.. ..good chance yarran will be gone, I wouldn't be surprised if menz gets traded or wants out next year too.. ....if you fall too far, it's hard to retain the good kids you draft cos other clubs will poach them.. ..that's the way it works now.... ..strong clubs don't have early picks, nor need them,, cos they poach the good kids of the struggling clubs..

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I hope we have an email from Geelong discussing a 1st round pick for Hendo.

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Fingers crossed Silvagni has the skills because as a poor coach is exposed quite quickly and can be acted upon, often the failings of a poor recruiting manager take 2 -3 years minimum to be fully revealed. We can't afford another generation of poor recruiting.
The pressures is amplified IMO with the departure of Rogers.

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When Trigg inevitably whispers in SOS's ear "no we can't let this player leave coz it will affect membership blah blah...", SOS needs to tell him to !@#$% off.

It goes two ways. If they get too-good a first pick, they may not be prepared to let it go for Henderson. If they end up falling below Collingwood, Port and GWS they end up with pick 7 - do we consider letting Hendo and Menzel go for that pick (plus a good young kid?). They might be willing - particularly if they also get Dangerfield.

Question is, who on their list would we want?

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Great post.

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True but too simplistic. The coach needs to have a say. Key criteria needs to be met such as character, kicking etc and then the List Manager/Recruiter can go do his job.

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Dan Menzel?

I know - we could swap Troy for Dan. That would be interesting....

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I won't be happy if we trade kreuzer.

+1

SOS the builder!
Can he fix it?
Yes he can!

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Exactly right, Psych. It's not one or the other, they both need input.