I'm not big on trading - I think you have to learn to dance with what you brung

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so eade should change his gameplan, or just sacrifice the undoubtable talent that is Cooney for his gameplan?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

'Development being hit and miss is the Pagan way.... too many variables... won't care... make a half-arsed effort without any apparent planning. ' What are you basing this on Tyrant?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Walker, for all his awesome awesome good qualities and form, isn't anywhere near as developed a player as Cooney. Sorry jimmae.... thats just not right. Cooney has ripped games apart..... he's off the boil a bit this year, but he's about an inch away from being a marquee player.... and Walker is couple extra inches off.... sure enough, he is about a year younger

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Does Pagan develop ruckmen like other coaches?

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No Cooney had a couple of bad games he will adjust he is very talented.

Eades plan is making the best of what he has and that is speed - he has no talls so he has looked at the rule changes and adjusted their playing style to suit his playing group - All be it Cooney hasn't adapted yet.

Only problem is Craig has studied what he does and made them look ordinary on the weekend . Crows had some big outs on the weekend all be it the dogs were suffering a let down affect from the cats game.
The crows were getable but the dogs were got .

they look the goods so far this year but there is still a long way to go

Dogs plan wont hold up against teams like sydney and the crows

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Tyrant - take Delidio and Tambling...Does that mean Wallace has developed delidio well but not tambling?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

So Eade was outcoached by Craig?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Evidence perceived by me:
- Some players are given more time than others
- Some players are given more time in a variety match situations
- Some players are fixtures in the side, while others are a week in and a week out, and are dropped in favour of crappy re-treads

Not every player seems to have a plan.... or, if they do, some of them are just bad plans or not working.

Compare to Hawthorn, where Clarkson believes in all his kids and gives them a variety of opportunities, over time.

How many re-treads has Clarkson recruited to get in the way of his kids? Guerra is the only one that springs to mind. He also doesn't hang on to problematic players when he has kids to push up into those roles.

A coach who cared about development of a team for long-term success would take all this into account.

A guy like Davies, for example, got a very good run at the start of last season..... was up and down.... but was dropped and not to return. why? was it bad attitude? And he was parked in a forward pocket and not given a variety of opportunities. Did Pagan think he could make it and then decide he couldn't???? If so, why wasn't Davies delisted?? Or is Pagan's attitude to development that you've got to earn it?? Thats rubbish and haphazard. Why was Johnson or Chambers picked for on-ball roles last year when Davies could have been given a chance there? Perhaps Davies isn't capable of that in Denis' opinion... thats fine... what about in defence? nope, never saw him there either. So, was the plan that Davies had to kick X goals a game up forward to keep his spot.... or that Pagan just wouldn't tolerate poor kicking for goal. Or maybe Pagan isn't tolerant of errors... but then, what about DeLuca???

In a shit team where every spot is being rebuilt, every kid drafted should have a long-term plan.... learning, training, and doing.

evidently, they dont.

There were enough barely capable triers on the list before the re-treads came onboard. Wiggins, Sporn, Davies et.al....... why not give them the chances McGrath and Bannister got and see if some of the errors couldn't be worked out of them......

Not every player can be developed, but every player should be given the chance.

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In a nut shell -Yes

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thats nearly as good as BV Post

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danny, the proof isn't in output... especially not when the players are 19 and one has had injuries.

Output is only the proof after 3-4-5 seasons in the league.

Lesser examples would be Shirley, Doughty, Skipworth at Adelaide...... Clarke, Sewell, Ladson etc etc etc..... our equivalent of those players are Wiggins, Davies and Sporn.

A long way off...... now, you can argue "but they had more skill to begin with"... maybe so.... but its interesting what a run of games in controlled situations does for a kid who shows enough aptitude to deserve it.

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The bulldogs are playing exactly the same football now that they played last year. They moved the ball quickly last year and they move the ball quickly now
Cooney struggling has got nothing to do with the gameplan.

Cooney was probably the Bulldogs best against the Crows.

or Denis has made decisions about who are bit players and who are not - much Like Clarkson has only Clarkson has the benefit of far more top end picks)

So Davies is a bit player, as is Wiggo.

and Denis may be pressured by a Board whereas Clarkson was obviously told you've got x amount of time and we are with you 100% this way.

Has Denis got this support? Without it he may always being compromised.

But we are guessing.

I know this much. A player Denius takes on board - Walker, Murphy, T-Bird, Simmo, Carrots, AB, (JR?) De Luca (arhhhh) gets his support.

Is this not the case for any coach? Do they not make calls on players?

Denis cannot drop every player off the list, so he moves through the list, year by year. Eg I expect another 6 or 7 to go this year. How many of these are players brought to the club by Denis & co for high draft picks? That's the real means of judging success i reckon.

In the past we gave tons of good picks away for blokes that are not here. that kills a club.

Now we are devloping our own liost - 6 or 7 a year - 3/4 certainities, 1 or 2 smokies. So say 5 years of drafting Denis will have constructed his list.

Trade your Lance's/Fev's/ Kouta's (though we could not) and get an extra 4 almost certainty picks (ala Hawks/ Synbad's excellent development method) and you might drop this back a whole year to 4. 4/5 years of picks and development and then you should see results. By the 7th year you should be playing finals with a real chance of taking out the flag.

Cannot see any side doing it faster than that. Does anyone know of a side that has.

That is a different method to the flag every say 5 year method that may work for a while (Carlton, Bombers) but which will eventually deplete your list and so you must start again.

This is all guesswork, but its interesting.

Note with the Hawks too that the rebuilding did not begin with Clarkson (Hodge - No 1 pick? - and others were before him)


Carlton's chance to start this ealier than Denis was the year of the big three picks.

Livo
Sporn
Wiggo

I think we [REDACTED] up big time there.

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buldogs adopted this style of play towards the end of last year and have worked on it and the new rules over the summer. They weren't playing like this early last year

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so eade's changing /developing his gameplan!!!!

your proof T is in the Livo/Sporn/Wiggo area. All 3 have had chances. Perhaps all 3 were ruined by Brittain before Denis ever arrived?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I've said it once and I'll say it again that draft has more to do with where we are now as a club than any other single thing. If anyone can show me a club that has had 3 picks in the first 15 picks of draft and come up with our result I would be staggered.

dannyboy, brilliant stuff in this thread, really brilliant!

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Danny that is the worst post I have ever seen you put up - these guys were barely 20 when Denis arrived there is no possible way Brittain ruined there careers . If they were playing under Denis the chances were that would not even of had a senoir game .

we are quick to criticise thomas with Goddard and co but fail to look in our own back yard =

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