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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:43 am 
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Someone clearly thinks that Bolton says the same things to the players behind closed doors that he does the media.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:43 am 
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In case you missed it in my last post (or chose to ignore it because its not in line with your opinion) it is all specific media training by the club. He is saying the exact things the club has asked him to do we can avoid the usual media scrutiny about wins vs losses and stop the papers getting too negative on us. It worked perfectly last year and this preseason. Unfortunately we have been poorer than we would have hoped to start the year so it won't continue to work but stop confusing the club's media spin (delivered by Bolts) vs what the true internal metrics and messages are.

I'd much prefer the same consistent (cliche or otherwise) message being delivered than seeing it chop and change each week (ala Malthouse).

My only issue is it's always Bolton that has to deliver it.

It's time for the higher-ups at the club to reaffirm this message, or else it shows disunity.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:03 am 
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I still believe in Bolton but it's now abundantly clear that he's gone too early with the new game plan... clearly he's succumbed to external pressures but players have NFI what they're doing out there.

With the loss of Doc, no Gibbs and plenty of youngsters out there, one more year of defensive structures would've been far more beneficial for this group.

Yes hindsight has 20/20 vision and wtf do we know as supporters and all that... but wtf are they doing up in the coaches box?


Surely it was time to start focussing on becoming more offensive to win more games

Not scoring 100 points in 2 years is just plain embarrassing

Too many excuses for this club

The rot has set in

I agree... the third year of a new coach should be the time a club is seen to be moving forward but we're in a deeper hole than we thought.

I'd take another year of not scoring 100 points rather than 14 goal beltings from mediocre teams. Funnily enough we're a lower scoring team with a more attacking game plan.

Scott in his presser said he expected a hard hitting Carlton and they were ready for it... what he got was witches hats and keystone cops.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:18 am 
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Bolton has failed the players, it's that easy.
There is no system, no team work, no love, no work ethic and mass confusion.
They don't know who or how to defend and have no focal points going forward.
The players are been treated like robots and it has drained all their enthusiasm from the game.
Bolton needs to throw out this bull~!@#$ game plan and go back to basics, nothing else will work and all the metaphors in the world won't save this year and even cause serious damage to the future.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:22 am 
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Crippa wrote:
In case you missed it in my last post (or chose to ignore it because its not in line with your opinion) it is all specific media training by the club. He is saying the exact things the club has asked him to do we can avoid the usual media scrutiny about wins vs losses and stop the papers getting too negative on us. It worked perfectly last year and this preseason. Unfortunately we have been poorer than we would have hoped to start the year so it won't continue to work but stop confusing the club's media spin (delivered by Bolts) vs what the true internal metrics and messages are.

I'd much prefer the same consistent (cliche or otherwise) message being delivered than seeing it chop and change each week (ala Malthouse).

My only issue is it's always Bolton that has to deliver it.

It's time for the higher-ups at the club to reaffirm this message, or else it shows disunity.


Players are told early in the week the approach the club will take with the media and there is/can be a very different approach between what the players are told and the media.

I do agree however that FWIW we need to hear from someone else rather than Bolton, maybe MLG?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:25 am 
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Did the club have a fall back strategy if injuries hit and exposed a young list? That's the issue IMO. Too many kids and the cavalry are E Graders.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:31 am 
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On the plane Friday chatted to a bloke who worked with Bolts on the coaching panel at North Hobart. I asked if Bolts was a good tactical /game day coach and he responded that was the one query he had about Bolts. But highly praised everything else about him, especially his determination to succeed.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:38 am 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
Maybe the best thing to happen is we get so bad the AFL get involved like at Melbourne and we can finally get rid of the board.


S### no, the last thing we want is the AFL anywhere near our club.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:48 am 
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What would SOS be like as a coach? I think he's identified talent, but our coaching staff have removed all confidence in the group.

I reckon Dow is better than he's showing. Weiters has proven in the past that he has the talent we're not seeing today. Same with SPS, too.

IMO, Casboult needs to go. He's a dumb footballer who destroys team morale when the chips are down. He doesn't know when to be aggressive and when to focus. When we're on the ropes and in need of leadership, he seems to think it's the appropriate time to give away a dumb free or a 50m. We'll go nowhere with Levi as a 'leader'.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:53 am 
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What would SOS be like as a coach? I think he's identified talent, but our coaching staff have removed all confidence in the group.

I reckon Dow is better than he's showing. Weiters has proven in the past that he has the talent we're not seeing today. Same with SPS, too.

IMO, Casboult needs to go. He's a dumb footballer who destroys team morale when the chips are down. He doesn't know when to be aggressive and when to focus. When we're on the ropes and in need of leadership, he seems to think it's the appropriate time to give away a dumb free or a 50m. We'll go nowhere with Levi as a 'leader'.

Nah mate, SOS won't coach. I was told a long time ago by someone who has known him since he was a kid, that he has no coaching aspirations whatsoever.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:48 pm 
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We need a poster in the mould of Paganite


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:00 pm 
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AFL need to step in and do something. It's too hard for Carlton and Brisbane to rebuild. It's outrageous it takes this long. It's a business and clubs need to be able to rebuild quicker. In the NFL you can rebuild in just a couple years.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:24 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
AFL need to step in and do something. It's too hard for Carlton and Brisbane to rebuild. It's outrageous it takes this long. It's a business and clubs need to be able to rebuild quicker. In the NFL you can rebuild in just a couple years.


IMO, the free agent system is stacked against clubs in lowly positions. No 27, 28, 29-year-olds would want to go to a bottom 4 side - regardless of the dollars offered.

They're all going straight to top 8 sides with a chance of flags in the few years ahead, or at the very least, play finals.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:32 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
AFL need to step in and do something. It's too hard for Carlton and Brisbane to rebuild. It's outrageous it takes this long. It's a business and clubs need to be able to rebuild quicker. In the NFL you can rebuild in just a couple years.


We are so passive I'm not sure we would even fight for a P.P. Meanwhile Brisbane who had more wins over the same period were given an end of first round PP.
It's about time we tried something other than our softly softly approach, I would go nuclear on the AFL like Essendon*'s strategy when they got exposed as drug cheats.
It works a lot better than our current roll over attitude. What I'd give for a bit of John Elliot passion and aggression.
I would be reminding these traitorous c#### at the AFL just how badly they screwed us over for the last 20 years.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:19 pm 
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It's a sad state of affairs isn't it, when our idea of passion & aggression is our ability to fight for the right to be given yet another leg up, because we are so shit

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:49 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
It's a sad state of affairs isn't it, when our idea of passion & aggression is our ability to fight for the right to be given yet another leg up, because we are so shit


and when we're still trying to blame 2 years of draft sanctions from 15 years ago.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:56 pm 
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The Duke wrote:
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It's a sad state of affairs isn't it, when our idea of passion & aggression is our ability to fight for the right to be given yet another leg up, because we are so shit


and when we're still trying to blame 2 years of draft sanctions from 15 years ago.


I knew some turkey would say something along those lines, wasn't just referring to the sanctions there was a lot more to it than that.
And it has been going on for almost 20 years... but thanks for jumping to conclusions lol smh.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:05 pm 
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smithy wrote:
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It's a sad state of affairs isn't it, when our idea of passion & aggression is our ability to fight for the right to be given yet another leg up, because we are so shit


and when we're still trying to blame 2 years of draft sanctions from 15 years ago.


I knew some turkey would say something along those lines, wasn't just referring to the sanctions there was a lot more to it than that.
And it has been going on for almost 20 years... but thanks for jumping to conclusions lol smh.


WTF? The sanctions were a @#$%&! disaster, but we had the ability to build a list after that time using the system. But I think the problem doesn't lie in the AFL or the players or the coaches. The pitiful, gutless mental state we're in is ingrained in the club.

Our club doesn't know how to succeed purely on football ability.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:07 pm 
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I agree Duke.

Funnily enough even the commentators were going on about the draft penalties last night. As did Pagan in the half time interview.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:30 pm 
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MIL wrote:
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Maybe the best thing to happen is we get so bad the AFL get involved like at Melbourne and we can finally get rid of the board.


Hmmm, I like that :thumbsup:


That’s the most positive thing I’ve heard about the club in years, that would be a fantastic outcome!


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