Why didn't Voss stand up?

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Lots of froth going on. Certainly a contentious issue...

@#$%&! Campo.

@#$%&! Lance.

@#$%&! Lappin.

Keep Fev.

Best trades for the other three. We are meandering.

This is the last neccessary purge required. The club was very fair to some senior players and they gave us bowel movement and a nasty bout of infection also. Carlton is going to change, and if it is also going to satisfy its supporters then individual player politics can flash momentarily in the spotlight, but like dog-shit, end up on some other idiot's shoe.

Pagan is actually trying to build a 'team'. His Carlton team. It's around the corner but the Carlton Romantics need to concentrate on what has changed as something unavoidable and positive.

There are a flock of flightless birds on this site who won't accept their once pretty wings have been snipped. We can't afford to be proud when we are where we are at.

Kouta would of looked pretty great the last 4 years feeding the ball out Lappin, Black, Power, Aker and co.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

They would have had a go at Kouta for not chasing his bloke defensively..

There are NO passenger at the Lions.....

Kouta has no appetite for a scrap and neither do the others.

More of the same is not what we want.....


It's Time!!!!

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130 point loss says there were a few passengers synbad.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

The height bar has been set by Kouta Campo Red....

There are no standards at the club....

Mediocrity is the word.....

About time we got rid of the trend setters and made people accountable to step up.

Why should Wiggo Sporn shine when all they do is chase other peoples loose men???(Koutas and Campos) howe many times was Walker caught between staying with his man and coming off his man to cover someone elses?????

ENOUGH is ENOUGH!!!!!

Theyre killing our youth development.

Why is when at times Simmo Bentick Walker Carrazzo were in the guts we tightened up and functioned better??

Why is Campo a back pocket player???400k???? He isnt Chris Johnstons arsehole!!!!

Youre on drugs to even compare these lazy bludgers that have for years robbed this club blind.. (not including Lappin here)...to blokes like Voss and Black and Lappin....

They have a work ethic at Brissy... no pea wee Campos playing for them...
No guys like Lance on 400k......

No players that lack any grunt playing for a cool million like Kouta....

Dont compare us to the Lions if you dont want to be laughed at by the dog in the street....

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Tjhe difference between them and us is theyre tired injured.. and need maintenance from giving their ALL for 5 years... 4 GFs ... 3 Flags.....

Comparing a club that is spent from giving their all... to a club that is lazy, unaccountable rudderless is why theyre the greatest team we have ever seen and were the worst team in the clubs history...

Fancy comparing our team to the Lions.....

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The last post re Pagan is spot on.
If Pagan is the coach we need a team that Pagan wants - and from where I sit the newer younger players are coming along nicely. It is the older players that have not responded.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing with the same players and expecting a different result. Won't happen.

Lets ignore the names of the players for the moment. If you were to build an ideal team, you need a balance of lots of things, the obvious strong backmen (missing) midfield to rotate (missing) and strong forward line (again missing). The top six we keep talking about are the wrong balance of players - we MUST draft or trade to get the balance right.

The top 6 players are good players and do contribute (regardless of what others will say) but they are the WRONG mix.

Something has to change. I really like Lance but he is the right player to trade now. He will add class to another team - and give back to Carlton a player we need to get the balance right (backman/midfielder) or at worst a quality draft pick.

Lappin is too old and not a KPP so don't expect too much. Campo and Kouta we all know are untradeable. Fev is the interesting one but still more a KPP than Lance so I would stick with Fev one more year - hey we can't get worse than this year so I would take this calculated risk.

The board are on the right track. They are spot on re: salaries, and I have total confidence regarding the draft and trade period.

There will be changes - have faith.

Players read sites like these and laugh at posts like yours synbad. They laugh when you bag champs like Kouta because they have played with him or against him and know how good he is.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Id rather have Sporn Wiggins and Davies than Kouta Lance and Campo.....


If they were at any other club with leaders that cared.. they would have been playing better footy....


Unfortunately for them they were drafted by the rabble.....

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Yes they laugh him..
they know that when he is playing they can run around and he will do the Cliffy Young shuffle around the centre square not bothering to pick anyone up.

Yes they were laughing at him when he played on Brown and he was acting like a police escort for Brown to run through the middle.

Yes they laugh at him and us for paying him ONE MILLION DOLLARS....!!!!

Laughing alright....

I bet you have a shrine in your house with Kouta posters all over it..

I also bet none of those were taken in the last FOUR YEARS....


Kouta is a joke who is playing because he has a contract that could feed half of Africa for a decade.. not because he is wants to.

If we had not have told Bamby to piss off.. he would still be playing for us aged 42......but he wouldnt have trained with the team till we workedout his contract each year....

ENOUGH!!!!

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Id be willing to lose Campo, Lance and Laps for free if the price isnt right. If they dont sign on our terms, they can walk. LLance is the only one with any sort of leverage ATM because he is 26. Therefore Campo and Laps probably will have to cave in to any offer we give. Even in lances case, id rather lose him for nothing than give him 400k.

Fev is a different story. We will keep him, he will produce. He wants to stay and has the ability the club desperately needs. Only a bundle of high picks (in this draft) or a star under 23 would do for him.
As stated earlier, the wise thing to do is give him another year regardless (we will probably be in the smae position anyway) and then get rewarded with a stronger draft next year if worst comes to worst.

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Too Legit to quit.

If this was true, why has Lance got his hand out asking for more McNuggets?

Why, as one of our club leaders with "a magnificent foot brain" isn't he asking for "HELP" on the field by suggesting the club uses the same money for find new young players??

Praps he has "playing for the club" confused with "playing for himself"...

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"...that's the thing about opinion - you don't have to know anything to have one..." Andre Agassi commenting on Pat Cash 2004
"...the less you know - the more you believe..." - Bono 2006

These blokes wont allow us to go forward because they want it ALL.....

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synbad wrote

Keep posting pearlers like that and the men in the white coats will come take you away synbad.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Game if Brissie are shite for four years straight and Vossy is running around still taking the most money then ithey'll be screaming for the club to end ties with him.

Doesn't mean he wasn't a great

Kouta was a great

Doully was a great

Big Nick was a great

but every clkub must work out when to cut the champion. Remember that last game of Doully's? I do. Hurt like hell to watch Bumstall do that to him but Time caught him.

Time and injuries have caught Kouta. He is not what he was. The fact that he is still rated our best hurts me most of all! I do not rate him that, but the stupid voting system does.

Lance was ordinary for the first half of the year, scored in the second half when he as down back, sorry he was okay but that was all, okay - he is not worth a cent over $250,000 in my book because he weaknessess almost match his strength.

Campo is shite now. His legs are shot, his heart is not what it was either.

I want to rebuild not build to reach the same crap level we have been the past four years - if these blokes remain our best then we are shot to bits.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

But im serious..... all we have to do with them is delist them...

The other three lag around like a bad smell.. contaminating the club with their sense of self importance.

The good thing about Wiggo and Co is they care!!!!

We dont have enough players that care in the senior group....

Youll go much further upwards in the long term with Wiggo and Co than by leaving the stench stay.

When they come in through the doors of Optus they bring nothing with them but their big egos....

Its not just about reputation....

Its about commitment when youre where were at...

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The last 4 years Kouta has played in one of the worst sides of all time, Voss in one of the greatest. Who has it easier? Would Voss be regarded as such a great leader if the situations were reversed? Of course not.
Anyway Voss wasn't half as good as our captain this year and in their primes Kouta took him to school.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

And do you think Voss would have handled our situation the same way Kouta, Campo and Lance have if he were playing for us?

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