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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:06 pm 
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Remove compensation totally is the only solution.


I strongly believe this should be the case

... but from next year :razz:


Will only work if they scrap the 95% minimum.
Forcing clubs to pay too much for average players is stupid.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:11 pm 
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This is all supposition on my part, but I've seen how the Afl works over the years.

Ask yourself if you reckon Greg Swann is an idiot. Not whether you like him, but whether you reckon he's an idiot. Then ask yourself what on earth Brisbane was doing winning on Saturday. There's no way on this earth they would have won if they hadn't been guaranteed a priority pick. They'd have just done themselves out of both Weitering and Schache.

I don't know what excuse the afl will use, but they'll come up with something that gives us picks 1 and 3 and the Lions 2 and 4. The lions have no doubt figured we wanted weitering and they wanted schache, so nothing lost there. I'm not sure other than Francis who is after that, but I guess the Lions have figured out they'll get who they want at four as well.

Doesn't look like they have been told that...
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:18 pm 
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John Ralph is a flog but, stated, Carlton will recieve pick 2 for Kreuzer if he is offered $450+ & 4 or more years.
No chance the afl will back down on that compo pick.
I love Kreuzer but Weitering & Schache will be our spine for years..
Pick 11 for Henderson.
Second pick round 22.
Pick 1,2,11 and 22 good start.
Bell for Aish??
Can we land either Charlie Curnow or Sam Weideman at pick 11. Fingers crossed..
Backline;
Jamison Jaksch and Weitering
Forwardline;
Casboult Schache Curnow/Weideman
Maybe Cripps can teach Rainbow how to run, the kid can play just needs to gut run..


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:32 pm 
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On a player of Kreuzer's age, low-mid $500k pa for four years would get a band one, that's what Frawley got

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:44 pm 
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The AFL want the Lions to get band 1 compo for Leunberger - they can't give it to them without giving it to us as well for Kreuzer.
Normally the AFL would find an excuse to shaft us however in this situation I think we just might get lucky.

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 Post subject: List Management 2015
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Lions won't get a property pick either coming of 10, 7 and 4 wins the last 3 years, plus picking up Beams and Christensen to counter the exodus theory.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Humpers wrote:
The AFL want the Lions to get band 1 compo for Leunberger - they can't give it to them without giving it to us as well for Kreuzer.
Normally the AFL would find an excuse to shaft us however in this situation I think we just might get lucky.


Correct weight.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:55 pm 
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Mark J wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
I feel sorry for Brisbane; if Kreuzer goes and we get pick 2, trade it for Brisbane's pick 3 (and something else of value) and draft Charlie Curnow. He may turn out the better player, anyway.


I don't....@#$%&! Brisbane,and the AFL, and Healy and Monga.
They shouldn't have bloody well beaten the Bulldogs!!!

@#$%&! em all!!!


I'd just like to reinforce my point..... Oh and this is a great test for Trigg and MLG.
To see whether they have any cohunna's.

I'll say it again...@#$%&! em all!!!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:02 pm 
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Mark J wrote:
Mark J wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
I feel sorry for Brisbane; if Kreuzer goes and we get pick 2, trade it for Brisbane's pick 3 (and something else of value) and draft Charlie Curnow. He may turn out the better player, anyway.


I don't....@#$%&! Brisbane,and the AFL, and Healy and Monga.
They shouldn't have bloody well beaten the Bulldogs!!!

@#$%&! em all!!!


I'd just like to reinforce my point..... Oh and this is a great test for Trigg and MLG.
To see whether they have any cohunna's.

I'll say it again...@#$%&! em all!!!


I predict afl wont give carlton pick 2. If it is pick 20 keep Kreuzer.
Could a fair compromise be a pick after our first round next year?
Would the Afl give us say pick 4 or 5.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:07 pm 
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How do you feel sorry for Brisbane and call yourself a Carlton fan

Brisbane were gifted a super team that won 3 premierships in a row!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Menzel_Mayhem wrote:
How do you feel sorry for Brisbane and call yourself a Carlton fan

Brisbane were gifted a super team that won 3 premierships in a row!


The Brisbane of today shouldn't be held accountable for what the AFL did in the past.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:19 pm 
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Mark J wrote:
Mark J wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
I feel sorry for Brisbane; if Kreuzer goes and we get pick 2, trade it for Brisbane's pick 3 (and something else of value) and draft Charlie Curnow. He may turn out the better player, anyway.


I don't....@#$%&! Brisbane,and the AFL, and Healy and Monga.
They shouldn't have bloody well beaten the Bulldogs!!!

@#$%&! em all!!!


I'd just like to reinforce my point..... Oh and this is a great test for Trigg and MLG.
To see whether they have any cohunna's.

I'll say it again...@#$%&! em all!!!


:clap: :donk: :thumbsup: :thanks:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:25 pm 
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Yep, @#$%&! them all.

I'd take it another step and request for a priority pick as well..... :razz:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Mark J wrote:
Mark J wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
I feel sorry for Brisbane; if Kreuzer goes and we get pick 2, trade it for Brisbane's pick 3 (and something else of value) and draft Charlie Curnow. He may turn out the better player, anyway.


I don't....@#$%&! Brisbane,and the AFL, and Healy and Monga.
They shouldn't have bloody well beaten the Bulldogs!!!

@#$%&! em all!!!


I'd just like to reinforce my point..... Oh and this is a great test for Trigg and MLG.
To see whether they have any cohunna's.

I'll say it again...@#$%&! em all!!!


:clap: :donk: :thumbsup: :thanks:


Brisbane did wrong by winning, whereas for Carlton, tanking is a mortal sin - good luck with that. :?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:28 pm 
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Feeling sorry for Brisbane and wanting Carlton to milk the system for all its worth are not mutually exclusive.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:29 pm 
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Perhaps the CEO could make pre-emptive comment about Frawley and Melbourne and Brisbane. Something subtle. An interview with Dermott or Caro would be OK, nothing specifically related to Carlton but specifically related to Melburne getting 2 and then Frawley as their next pick. And about Brisbane'slast ten years and outr, as far as games and flags won and lost and our financial situation. A comparison, if you like to make it hard for the AFL to than change the rules to suit themselves and to give Brisbane a PP and not us.

The concept of band one was designed exactly for this reason. You get your low draft pick for being a shit club and then if someone gets a good player (as determined by the contract offer and nothing else) from you you get the possibility of getting a great player in return. Melbourne got 2 and 3 because they were shit, they got their draft pick and they lost a good player. They system worked for them and the same system will work for us.

If K. goes, we will get #1 for being a shit club and we will get #2 to replace a good payer. All the commentaries in the world won't change that.

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What they are really worried about, (Healy etc) is watching us get 1 and 2, THEN getting 10 for Hendo, 12 for Yarran, 21 for Bell.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:43 pm 
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Molly wrote:
This is all supposition on my part, but I've seen how the Afl works over the years.

Ask yourself if you reckon Greg Swann is an idiot. Not whether you like him, but whether you reckon he's an idiot. Then ask yourself what on earth Brisbane was doing winning on Saturday. There's no way on this earth they would have won if they hadn't been guaranteed a priority pick. They'd have just done themselves out of both Weitering and Schache.

I don't know what excuse the afl will use, but they'll come up with something that gives us picks 1 and 3 and the Lions 2 and 4. The lions have no doubt figured we wanted weitering and they wanted schache, so nothing lost there. I'm not sure other than Francis who is after that, but I guess the Lions have figured out they'll get who they want at four as well.


If brisbane somehow get a PP, then the blues would have to get a PP as well - then taking into account FA compo for kreuzer, it could mean....

pick 1 - blues (PP)
pick 2 - lions (PP)
pick 3 - blues pick 1
pick 4 - blues FA compo
pick 5 - lions pick 1
pick 6 - GCS

I could live with that I suppose....


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:54 pm 
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4thchicken wrote:
Molly wrote:
This is all supposition on my part, but I've seen how the Afl works over the years.

Ask yourself if you reckon Greg Swann is an idiot. Not whether you like him, but whether you reckon he's an idiot. Then ask yourself what on earth Brisbane was doing winning on Saturday. There's no way on this earth they would have won if they hadn't been guaranteed a priority pick. They'd have just done themselves out of both Weitering and Schache.

I don't know what excuse the afl will use, but they'll come up with something that gives us picks 1 and 3 and the Lions 2 and 4. The lions have no doubt figured we wanted weitering and they wanted schache, so nothing lost there. I'm not sure other than Francis who is after that, but I guess the Lions have figured out they'll get who they want at four as well.


If brisbane somehow get a PP, then the blues would have to get a PP as well - then taking into account FA compo for kreuzer, it could mean....

pick 1 - blues (PP)
pick 2 - lions (PP)
pick 3 - blues pick 1
pick 4 - blues FA compo
pick 5 - lions pick 1
pick 6 - GCS

I could live with that I suppose....

They wouldn't have to give us a PP, particularly if we didn't ask for one. At any rate, don't PP's now come after your first pick? If not then the AFL could potentially stuff us up even more. I thought you were all acting like a bunch of passive aggressive whingers but now a nerve has been hit. :sad:

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 Post subject: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:32 am 
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Yep, @#$%&! them all.

I'd take it another step and request for a priority pick as well..... :razz:

^^THIS^^

I reckon they already have, and is reason why both Carlton and Brisbane will get overs on departing free agents.

I think we need to reopen the worry room thread again!!!

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 Post subject: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:37 am 
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4thchicken wrote:
Molly wrote:
This is all supposition on my part, but I've seen how the Afl works over the years.

Ask yourself if you reckon Greg Swann is an idiot. Not whether you like him, but whether you reckon he's an idiot. Then ask yourself what on earth Brisbane was doing winning on Saturday. There's no way on this earth they would have won if they hadn't been guaranteed a priority pick. They'd have just done themselves out of both Weitering and Schache.

I don't know what excuse the afl will use, but they'll come up with something that gives us picks 1 and 3 and the Lions 2 and 4. The lions have no doubt figured we wanted weitering and they wanted schache, so nothing lost there. I'm not sure other than Francis who is after that, but I guess the Lions have figured out they'll get who they want at four as well.


If brisbane somehow get a PP, then the blues would have to get a PP as well - then taking into account FA compo for kreuzer, it could mean....

pick 1 - blues (PP)
pick 2 - lions (PP)
pick 3 - blues pick 1
pick 4 - blues FA compo
pick 5 - lions pick 1
pick 6 - GCS

I could live with that I suppose....

Lol, 3 out of the first 4 picks......you could live with that?

That's like Miranda Kerr and Eugenie Bouchard getting it on for you whenever you want them to.

Lovely thought, ain't going to happen

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