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rodrocketman
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:30 am 
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teagueyubeauty wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
Molly wrote:
This is all supposition on my part, but I've seen how the Afl works over the years.

Ask yourself if you reckon Greg Swann is an idiot. Not whether you like him, but whether you reckon he's an idiot. Then ask yourself what on earth Brisbane was doing winning on Saturday. There's no way on this earth they would have won if they hadn't been guaranteed a priority pick. They'd have just done themselves out of both Weitering and Schache.

I don't know what excuse the afl will use, but they'll come up with something that gives us picks 1 and 3 and the Lions 2 and 4. The lions have no doubt figured we wanted weitering and they wanted schache, so nothing lost there. I'm not sure other than Francis who is after that, but I guess the Lions have figured out they'll get who they want at four as well.


If brisbane somehow get a PP, then the blues would have to get a PP as well - then taking into account FA compo for kreuzer, it could mean....

pick 1 - blues (PP)
pick 2 - lions (PP)
pick 3 - blues pick 1
pick 4 - blues FA compo
pick 5 - lions pick 1
pick 6 - GCS

I could live with that I suppose....

Lol, 3 out of the first 4 picks......you could live with that?

That's like Miranda Kerr and Eugenie Bouchard getting it on for you whenever you want them to.

Lovely thought, ain't going to happen


Mmmmm ... Miranda Kerr and Eugenie Bouchard getting it on .... l'll be back in 5.
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trublu
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Unless the AFL change the rules, we will be getting compensation pick 2 for big Matty K. The rules Cleary state the club must receive a compensation pick directly after its first, second or third round selection.
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Correct.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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McKay last night reiterated club want to retain Kreuzer.
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Just talking about it on sen. Asking what the fans think. Not Saying pick two is unfair. Though a fan questioned compensation for FA the leave saying it punishes the other teams.
Amazingly patrick smith said it needs to stay as the clubs losing FA are hurt the most..

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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i think it all went to shit for the afl when the lions won on the weekend. up until that point the lions getting the 1st pick, and us getting picks 2 & 3 would have rolled off the afl's tongue rather easily.

now the thought of cfc getting picks 1 & 2 – and the 2 best kpp in a fair while at that – that whole sentence is kinda getting stuck in their throat.
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teagueyubeauty
 Post subject: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:13 am 
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Yazzamatazz wrote:
Just talking about it on sen. Asking what the fans think. Not Saying pick two is unfair. Though a fan questioned compensation for FA the leave saying it punishes the other teams.
Amazingly patrick smith said it needs to stay as the clubs losing FA are hurt the most..

Got to agree with PS, FA is raping the shit clubs for the good clubs. If compo was removed we move so much closer to an European soccer style competition where only a few teams will have an opportunity to win it.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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How many weekends did we, as supporters, have to endure being tagged into countless shitty memes on facebook, childishly reminding us how pathetic everyone else thought we were.

It's hypocritical that now, as our supposed patheticness would return us something justifiable, everyone seems to adamantly believe we are a half decent side, not worthy of fair compensation.

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SurreyBlue
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I now want pick 1 and 2 and then we MUST KEEP!
Simple to stick it up all opposition supporters. Just watching them whinge and squirm would be enough for me!!!
2nd - you cannot just get 2 bookend's like that in the 1 draft, let alone top 2 kids of that year. Simply doesn't come around!
Riewoldt & Kossie, Franklin & Roughead are the 2 coming to mind but these were both forward of the centre.
We have a huge advantage here and it just might help us setup our future. Just might as long as we get it right with list management and development moving forward.
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SurreyBlue wrote:
I now want pick 1 and 2 and then we MUST KEEP!
Simple to stick it up all opposition supporters. Just watching them whinge and squirm would be enough for me!!!
2nd - you cannot just get 2 bookend's like that in the 1 draft, let alone top 2 kids of that year. Simply doesn't come around!
Riewoldt & Kossie, Franklin & Roughead are the 2 coming to mind but these were both forward of the centre.
We have a huge advantage here and it just might help us setup our future. Just might as long as we get it right with list management and development moving forward.


Yep, this is the leg up from the draft we d been hoping for. Cant let an opportunity like this slip.

trublu wrote:
Unless the AFL change the rules, we will be getting compensation pick 2 for big Matty K. The rules Cleary state the club must receive a compensation pick directly after its first, second or third round selection.


Yep thems the rules, but as we know, the AFL always find a way to weasel their way out of their own rules if they want to.

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SurreyBlue
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Here we go....squirming and whining all because it's us.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-08/f ... ir-pelchen

Watch 'Carlton Mike'..... :roll:
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It does highlight that the compensation should be paid by the recruiting club. Eg if pies want Kreuzer, they forego their first round pick.

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SurreyBlue wrote:
I now want pick 1 and 2 and then we MUST KEEP!
Simple to stick it up all opposition supporters. Just watching them whinge and squirm would be enough for me!!!
2nd - you cannot just get 2 bookend's like that in the 1 draft, let alone top 2 kids of that year. Simply doesn't come around!
Riewoldt & Kossie, Franklin & Roughead are the 2 coming to mind but these were both forward of the centre.
We have a huge advantage here and it just might help us setup our future. Just might as long as we get it right with list management and development moving forward.


Roughead was a CHB. Don't want to lose Kreuzer but Weitering and Schache would set us up for years. Plus it would be interesting if Brisbane make a play for the 2nd pick to get Schache as they would have to pay massive overs.
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Wojee
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AIRCAV wrote:
It does highlight that the compensation should be paid by the recruiting club. Eg if pies want Kreuzer, they forego their first round pick.


So force them to trade a pick?

How is that free agency?

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scottopee wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
I now want pick 1 and 2 and then we MUST KEEP!
Simple to stick it up all opposition supporters. Just watching them whinge and squirm would be enough for me!!!
2nd - you cannot just get 2 bookend's like that in the 1 draft, let alone top 2 kids of that year. Simply doesn't come around!
Riewoldt & Kossie, Franklin & Roughead are the 2 coming to mind but these were both forward of the centre.
We have a huge advantage here and it just might help us setup our future. Just might as long as we get it right with list management and development moving forward.


Roughead was a CHB. Don't want to lose Kreuzer but Weitering and Schache would set us up for years. Plus it would be interesting if Brisbane make a play for the 2nd pick to get Schache as they would have to pay massive overs.


Interesting.

Trade Pick 2 to Brisbane Lions for Pick 3 and Stephan Martin

We would end up with

Weitering, Francis, Martin ...

We lose Kreuzer ...

I think that would be a great outcome for us and would effectively leave us on par i.e. Kruzer/Martin yet we get Francis as well.

+ Hendo Pick
+ Yarren Pick

And possibly +Mendel pick though id rather keep Menzel

We would be well on our way with the rebuild :-)

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Why is this all of a sudden an issue ?
Its because Carlton is benefiting and not a small club like Melbourne, the Dogs or GWS.
Watch the AFL bow down to the media bulltish, and come up with some ill explained change to dud us out of Pick 2.
Why the pity for the Lions, when they re (like us) the victims of their own incompetence.

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We need cool heads here. SOS needs some kind of confirmation from the AFL over how they will calculate compo. Something in writing!!!! We can then make the valued assessment over our options. If there is to be some kind of AFL Backdown with us receiving compo at end of 1st round etc then we re-sign Krooz. Probably our best bet would be for one of the AFL's project clubs like GWS to be the preferred destination for Krooz, then they will bend over backwards to make it happen!

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Yazzamatazz wrote:
Just talking about it on sen. Asking what the fans think. Not Saying pick two is unfair. Though a fan questioned compensation for FA the leave saying it punishes the other teams.
Amazingly patrick smith said it needs to stay as the clubs losing FA are hurt the most..

We have been hurt by FA, no other club has lost 3 good players this way and so far we are yet to compensated.
I love the way opposition supporters are happy to bag our list as being the worst (which it is) yet they dont think we should get a pick for losing a good player.
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scottopee wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
I now want pick 1 and 2 and then we MUST KEEP!
Simple to stick it up all opposition supporters. Just watching them whinge and squirm would be enough for me!!!
2nd - you cannot just get 2 bookend's like that in the 1 draft, let alone top 2 kids of that year. Simply doesn't come around!
Riewoldt & Kossie, Franklin & Roughead are the 2 coming to mind but these were both forward of the centre.
We have a huge advantage here and it just might help us setup our future. Just might as long as we get it right with list management and development moving forward.


Roughead was a CHB. Don't want to lose Kreuzer but Weitering and Schache would set us up for years. Plus it would be interesting if Brisbane make a play for the 2nd pick to get Schache as they would have to pay massive overs.


Also, Brisbane are already getting Hipwood as an academy kid this year. That is 2 'big' forwards in 2 years. Don't see anyone highlighting this fact.
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2ndeffort wrote:
SOS needs some kind of confirmation from the AFL over how they will calculate compo. Something in writing!!!! We can then make the valued assessment over our options. If there is to be some kind of AFL Backdown with us receiving compo at end of 1st round etc then we re-sign Krooz.


This!!

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