What becomes of lazy soldiers who don't pull their weight?

They learn quickly, or they suffer slowly.

Hard coaches with hard approaches needed. No mercy. They will learn to bleed or they will learn to flip burgers.

We will tell everyone we wanted Ray Kovacs, but had to take our second option.

I think the 'but he could be the next clarkson' narrative around any young coach is a bit like the 'dropped out of school at 15, now he's a billionaire' thing

Only highlight the successes. Maybe I'm just glass half empty.

Hopefully our trophy cabinet is half empty as well though.

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Article the other day that Jaymie Graham "blew Collingwood away" with his interview. Whether his own people got that story out to the media or if there is any truth to that, I don't know.
Perhaps one to interview at least?

We are told we are getting a senior coach?
He will have to look at our playing list and instill some self belief and some backbone.
I recall Kevin Sheedy coming to Essendon* and being straight forward with the playing list, there is no winnning culture at this club,
so he went about instilling some Richmond spirit into his new club.
Our next senior coach will have to have address this issue and have a similiar approach taken by Sheedy, where ever he finds his motivation.
Old fashoioned values that underline an approach to our game plan in the contemporary AFL world.
I think some players on our list aren't up to, no point naming names, that's up to our next coach to identify.

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So is the only hope for the non-Lyon hopefuls to position themselves as the 2nd choice "unity" candidate?

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On Sheedy, I do remember that after the 83 grand final, there were those within the club who was so happy they made the grand final, that the loss didn't sting as much as Sheedy would have liked.
He absolutely blasted them and told them in no uncertain that losing a grand final wasn't acceptable. They went on to win the next 2.

So lets assume the club appoints Lyon as our next coach. Can someone please explain how such an appointment would instill evidence of improving our culture and also our commitment to the "Carlton Respects" policy? Surely such an appointment would further the stain on the already poor culture of our club as well as contradict the "Carlton Respects" policy?

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I suggest you get over the storm in a teacup accusations made against Lyon as well as your hidden agendas and support what’s best for the club and that is winning flags.

From what I’ve read Lyon said something inappropriate to a female staff member. There wasn’t anything physical involved and it was settled by the parties and the Fremantle Football Club.

I’m not trying to diminish sexual harassment in the workplace but last time I checked this didn’t disqualify him from ever holding another job.

A member of my family wrote the first organisational sexual harassment guide in the country back in the 80s and has worked with major government, corporate and institutional organisations over the last four decades (she’s retired now). The best outcome you can get in a situation is that all parties come away satisfied and educated about what their responsibilities are with respect to workplace behaviour and attitudes.

I don’t know anything about the situation at Fremantle and I’d suggest outside of rumour and innuendo nobody here does either. But whatever transpired, unless the complainant comes out publicly and makes a statement saying otherwise, at this stage the matter has been resolved. And to suggest Ross Lyon should never be able to coach again based on what’s currently known would be unfair, wrong and completely disproportionate.

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Hardly storm in a teacup. There is ample evidence of much more. What hidden agendas do I have?

Stop making up rubbish and assuming stuff which isn't true.

I'm all for winning flags - but maybe I also believe that having a well set culture is a critical part to winning them. If you dont agree then please explain why?

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Well said.

Ample Evidence you say.

Send a few links through and we can all discuss that first before we get to the next part of your concerns.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

GWS - your right we don't know what actually transpired, but lets be realistic. If this was "settled" between the parties does that not also suggest the claimant was legally bound to not provide any further communication about the "settlement" or the "incident"? Regardless there is a much bigger picture here.

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It means the complainant was satisfied with the outcome.

Nothing more.

Nothing less.

That’s the aim of mediation.

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Yep

Why Must there be a bigger picture here? Lyon apparently said something he shouldn't have that offended another party and it was dealt with.

Have you never worked in a workplace where something can be said without issue to 99 people and the 100th takes offence. It is their right to take offence and the world has changed drastically in that regard these past 5-10 years.

If you have never said something in life or your workplace that caused offence then you must be as pure as the driven snow and the 2nd coming.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

Satisfied because they got a $$$$ settlement? I understand they signed an NDA - that does not mean they were satisfied with the outcome - more likely they took the money to move on....

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You can’t be forced to take a payout. If it was money that satisfied the complainant then that’s still satisfaction and it’s up to that person to make the call.

If they’ve chosen to take a payout then that’s their right.

If that’s the case and they’ve also signed an NDA then it’s nobody else’s business.

Claiming some sort of high moral ground about the behaviour involved (the details of which are undisclosed) but then spreading uninformed rumour is just a little bit contradictory don’t you think?

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Cass - your right - I'll retract "ample". My point is there is an issue here. Im not trying to hang Lyon at all. Maybe after the decades of failure, I'm hoping this next coaching appointment we should expect the highest of transparency and standards to be high on the list of minimum requirements. I'm guilty of being cynical that this won't be the case, although of course I hope it will be.

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