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TheGame
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PJ he would have handled it like the way he did in Rd 22.

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The last 4 years Kouta has played in one of the worst sides of all time, Voss in one of the greatest. Who has it easier? Would Voss be regarded as such a great leader if the situations were reversed? Of course not.
Anyway Voss wasn't half as good as our captain this year and in their primes Kouta took him to school.


And There were only aboriginals in Australia before Captain Cook sailed the Endeavour into Botany Bay.. (which wasnt called Botany Bay back then either...)

... anyway Captain Cook was killed in Hawaii by savages.. and you can visit his house in the Treasury Gardens .. best time to go is autumn when the leaves are different shades of red to yellow...
Did you know they brought that cottage to Australia and rebuilt it brick by brick.. originally it used to be in Yorkshire somewhere...

What i find amazing is how small everything is... its like a dolls house.. tiny beds and tiny doorways with tiny rooms.. (I have seen Sov feeling at home there)/....

Anyway people and things used to be sooo different in the olden days....

But today is today.....

and noone actually lives in it anymore... people look at it like a relic from the past.....

What was my point again???

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What was my point again???


Don't know but now I remember why I used to fall asleep during Australian history at school.

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Reckon Lappin's a goner. The club has told him it's waiting for trade week. Two-year offer has been withdrawn.

Even though he struggled and looked disinterested at times this year, I'd rather keep skinny than Campo. reckon's he's still got a bit to offer ... but not three years.
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If they were hard on Lappin i reckon they have to be twice as hard on Campo.. who is now being offered one year....

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Reckon Lappin's a goner. The club has told him it's waiting for trade week. Two-year offer has been withdrawn.

Even though he struggled and looked disinterested at times this year, I'd rather keep skinny than Campo. reckon's he's still got a bit to offer ... but not three years.


Geez.

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Synbad
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I reckon the club just cant back down on any of this.....

They have to stick to their guns...

Lappin is collateral damage i reckon...

He will probably leave for less... because he is disappointed with being paid alot less than the others in the past.. while he hoped to be paid more this contract around.. while a couple of his team mates had their snouts in the troft...

They have to go hard at Campo now...

Lappin is twice the player Campo is..

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kennyhunter wrote:
Reckon Lappin's a goner. The club has told him it's waiting for trade week. Two-year offer has been withdrawn.

Even though he struggled and looked disinterested at times this year, I'd rather keep skinny than Campo. reckon's he's still got a bit to offer ... but not three years.


Collo does not sound like he is backing down. Good on the club. I would prefer to kepp Lappin but if he has to go then I can understand. Now onto Campo and Whitnall next.
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kennyhunter wrote:
Reckon Lappin's a goner. The club has told him it's waiting for trade week. Two-year offer has been withdrawn.


Good. They're showing some spine.
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Our good players are just that, good players, we need the players below them to step up and HELP Campo, Lance etc.


We dont have a quality second tier to step up.
How does this second tier exist when our top 4 players take upwards of 30% of our TPP?
What do we offer them, bananas?

I love this theory about keeping our senior players.
They want top dollar for average performance.
Anyone who thinks Red is worth 400k+ is dreaming. What are we paying him for? Track record? What has he offered in performance, preparation or development in the past 3 years.

The club is taking the perfect approach. Offer the players what they are worth. If they dont want it. F@%&#! off.


How does this explain why after 5 years Wiggins, Davies, Sporn, Livo and Prendergast have not taken the next step? What does that have to do with money?

Whitnall has had a lean 3 or 4 years BV but finished 3rd this season in the B and F. Everyone knows he's overpaid and accordingly will have to take a paycut, which nobody is disputing is undeserved. I don't understand your point? Where did any of the abovementioned blokes finish in a B and F?


The height bar has been set by Kouta Campo Red....

There are no standards at the club....

Mediocrity is the word.....

About time we got rid of the trend setters and made people accountable to step up.

Why should Wiggo Sporn shine when all they do is chase other peoples loose men???(Koutas and Campos) howe many times was Walker caught between staying with his man and coming off his man to cover someone elses?????

ENOUGH is ENOUGH!!!!!

Theyre killing our youth development.

Why is when at times Simmo Bentick Walker Carrazzo were in the guts we tightened up and functioned better??

Why is Campo a back pocket player???400k???? He isnt Chris Johnstons arsehole!!!!

Youre on drugs to even compare these lazy bludgers that have for years robbed this club blind.. (not including Lappin here)...to blokes like Voss and Black and Lappin....

They have a work ethic at Brissy... no pea wee Campos playing for them...
No guys like Lance on 400k......

No players that lack any grunt playing for a cool million like Kouta....

Dont compare us to the Lions if you dont want to be laughed at by the dog in the street....


That's a copout Synbad and you know it.

Why can players like Simpson, Carrazzo, Fisher, Waite and Bentick be in the system and at the club for half as much time as Wiggo, Sporn, Davies etc yet show 10x as much?????

Are some players affected by Campo, Whitnall etc and others are not? :roll:

Why are Wiggins and co struggling to even make the side after 5 years but Simmo and Carrots are almost permanent members after less than 3 years? Is it not possible that Wiggins, Sporn etc just aren't up to it Synbad? Is it not possible at all? You might love them and all and so do I mate, I love watching all our players play but if they're not good enough I won't pretend that I'd rather have them than Kouta, Lance etc that's just ridiculous?!! :shock:

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Synbad wrote:
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Sorry but the fact they are finishing top 6 in our best and fairest says that they are actually offering us "more than nothing". We're not last because of these guys we're last because underneath them there is very little stepping up (players like Sporn, Davies, Wiggins, Livo etc that have been around for 4-5 seasons and by now should be showing more than they are). Our good players are just that, good players, we need the players below them to step up and HELP Campo, Lance etc.


Id rather have Sporn Wiggins and Davies than Kouta Lance and Campo.....


If they were at any other club with leaders that cared.. they would have been playing better footy....


Unfortunately for them they were drafted by the rabble.....


:shock:

Or alternatively they're just not good enough to play AFL footy...but because Wiggins is your favourite player and all you would never think of that...

They have been given every chance Synbad, it's up to the players to take them, to chart their own course. They haven't Synbad and that is not Campo or Lance's fault!

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Synbad
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They have noone to learn from 2005...

The leaders have their hands out not up....

No cop out!!
Watch the games and see how many times theyre trying to cover for Campo and Kouta....

Theyre shellshocked!!!!

Our leaders did that to them.....

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So why have Waite, Carrazzo, Fisher and Simpson been able to step up even in the face of our leadership issues, but Wiggins, Sporn etc have not? Are only SOME of the players affected Synbad? It doesn't make sense!

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Synbad
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Cos they havent had to shase Campos and Koutas men around for 4 years only 3.....

But another year of the same will fix them too....

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I cannot believe someone like Lappin did not take the 2 year contract and run. after all we did for him by getting him from St kilda and made him the player is his now. When he got into all that trouble, the club stood by him and he said it himself "its the only place he felt safe". He expects more from us by not going to Richmond. Hello be realistic Lappin and look at what the club did for you. He would of been playing footy in the bush if its wasn't for us.
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Houla - i assume this is who you mean. Soft - not in going for the hard ball, that doesn't bother me as much as his soft second or third efforts. Will not chase hard ever! Has he ever laid a tackle on because he chased someone and actually caught them. When chasing he is slower than Lance!


Certainly has:
-Last game (Kangas) on Wells.
-Adelaide game (Rd 10): ran someone down from behind & won a free.
(I'm sure there are more but you asked for ever)


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This whole "they placed in the B&F therefore we should be building a side around them" argument isn't really that sound long term.

Andrew McKay won the 2003 B&F. It could be argued that his season that year was better than either of Kouta's, Lance's, Campo's and Lappin's this year - I would say it was better by a long shot, but then I could be accused of being biased.

However, did we decide to get him some HELP??? No. And rightly so.
McKay could have played on, but he decided to retire. Remember this was a guy that killed himself everytime he went out there - we never complained about his lack of effort or commitment.

So why would we get "help" for players whose commitment we question???

I wish some of these guys would decide to retire.....
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We cant help them anyway cos theyre sucking up all the spandools...!!!

We can help the others by giving them the flick and bringing in a whole tier of players that can help us....

They dont have to retire they can just bugger off!!!

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