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 Post subject: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 1:41 pm 
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Asking for #22 is a respectable clap back from the Swans. They can @#$%&! off, but with our respect.

I do wonder if we’re a little closer to Humphrey than some might think.

10 & 11 to GC for Humphrey, gives them flexibility with the Dees & Petracca… I just think we’ll want another 300-400 points from somewhere else. That rises to 1,000+ if we lose #22.

Hence the time pressure I mentioned earlier. Players are all we have to bargain with & we can’t move them until the deadline.

We see you, Kinnear. :clap:


10 and 11 for Humphrey would have to have something coming back our way. He’s an exciting talent, but he’s achieved nothing yet. Some points back our way would make sense


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 Post subject: List Management 2025
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"The Melbourne bubble" is a cop-out... what a load of shit. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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sinbagger wrote:
The grass is always greener....


Yeah , maybe Charles is getting cold feet .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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deano35 wrote:
Let's wait till Sydney FORMALLY submit an offer.
Relax and stay calm
Let's wait until tomorrow night when Fox Footy are live.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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"The Melbourne bubble" is a cop-out... what a load of shit. :lol:


Agree. That's just bulldust.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 2:37 pm 
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Guys, we need to be realistic....

This offer from SYD is no where good enough, however I would still take it than leave that Spoiled immature loser at our Club. He will be destructive and pull everyone down with him. Get rid of him please.......


I keep saying it, Curnow has nothing more to offer. He is 30 and has a Chronic Knee issue that can not be fixed, not to mention an attitude problem that sees him play Lazy when things aren't going his way.


Wayward is a C+ Grade Player. He is not the Super Small forward we been crying for but he is still better than Durdin, Motlop & Co.

Florent is a bad bad one. The guy was told to look elsewhere anyways and he comes with a Massive Salary. Carlton should ask for another player!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 2:45 pm 
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Dodo27 wrote:
Guys, we need to be realistic....

This offer from SYD is no where good enough, however I would still take it than leave that Spoiled immature loser at our Club. He will be destructive and pull everyone down with him. Get rid of him please.......


I keep saying it, Curnow has nothing more to offer. He is 30 and has a Chronic Knee issue that can not be fixed, not to mention an attitude problem that sees him play Lazy when things aren't going his way.


Wayward is a C+ Grade Player. He is not the Super Small forward we been crying for but he is still better than Durdin, Motlop & Co.

Florent is a bad bad one. The guy was told to look elsewhere anyways and he comes with a Massive Salary. Carlton should ask for another player!


The Florent part is the bit that intrigues me. Was told to look elsewhere and then all of a sudden they package him up telling Carlton ... "Have we got a deal for you". Austin and Co please tell me you're not that F##'n stupid.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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all the media is about how good CC makes syd top 4 top 6 but what about us , i say NO to that deal we keep 22 swap florent for macaearny (spelling wrong ) and we will have sit down .


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 Post subject: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 2:49 pm 
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Dodo27 wrote:
Guys, we need to be realistic....

This offer from SYD is no where good enough, however I would still take it than leave that Spoiled immature loser at our Club. He will be destructive and pull everyone down with him. Get rid of him please.......


I keep saying it, Curnow has nothing more to offer. He is 30 and has a Chronic Knee issue that can not be fixed, not to mention an attitude problem that sees him play Lazy when things aren't going his way.


Wayward is a C+ Grade Player. He is not the Super Small forward we been crying for but he is still better than Durdin, Motlop & Co.

Florent is a bad bad one. The guy was told to look elsewhere anyways and he comes with a Massive Salary. Carlton should ask for another player!


- Deal is nowhere near good enough
- But we should take it because charlie is cooked anyway
- But the players offered in the deal suck and we should ask for someone else

Sorry what is your position? You changed your mind twice in the one paragraph


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 2:54 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
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Swans 2025 & 2026 1st rounder plus Hayward is fair IMO.
I'm not too bothered about Florent.
But no way we give them back pick #22.



Hayward has never finished in the top 10 in the Swans b&f....and they think Carlton will take this bloke in a trade???

They clearly think Carlton's list managers are friggin stupid or they thoroughly disrespect Carlton, thinking the Blues are a substandard team that will take whatever they are given.

So disrespectful.


I wouldnt judge Hayward's ability from Sydney's BnF results.
We went hard at him last year. We wanted him. Sydney wanted him more and offered him a 5 year contract. That's his value.

In 2024, Sydney made the Grand Final. Will kicked 41 goals, 16 behinds and 10 goal assists. He also had 47 Inside 50's.
He was considered for AA as a HF.
In the same year, 2024, the Bloods top 10 were Heeney, Gulden, Warner, Grundy, Blakey, Rowbottom, Florent, Jordan, Lloyd, Papley. All of those top 10 players deserved their spot in the top 10. No shame not making top 10 in that year.

Put it this way, Hayward is more reliable than Elijah. We need to be improving on every line, especially forward of centre which is what cost us 6-7 games in 2025.

Hayward is 26yo.


27 before the end of this month. :)

He was really good in 2024, I was keen to get him down here.

2025 was more aligned with his mean level over the past five years, and as someone alluded to earlier, when you sort his AFL tables by disposals and goals, you'll find a bit of flat track bullying in this year's numbers. From watching him this year, I cooled on him quite a bit. Possibly adapting to a new coach, but he was too quiet too often. Makes me think he thrives as part of a well oiled machine but isn't one to pull us out of the mire. I think the rumours of our interest in Humphrey are also a major reason Hayward leaves me feeling flat.


Maybe. Your point is valid. I noticed he was quiet this year too. But so were the Swans without Gulden and a few others out injured.
I think our Coleman medallists didnt well this year. Maybe something related to a well oiled machine. :wink:

Mmmm, this mean level point, leaves me with a lot of questions re its validity, wondering what may impact that number other than form.

Was Charlie more valuable end of 2024 than he is end of 2025?

What will Charlie be worth end next year if we retain him for 2026?

I don't know which way I'm leaning anymore.

Gut feel is to get rid of him incase he serves up another indifferent performance, and continues to affect our team performance.

What's the right price?

Personally, I don't think Charlie is going to take Swans to Finals. The Horse has bolted. Longmire that is.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 2:56 pm 
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agree charlie has to go. sell high, and this is as high as he gets. cut the cancer out to save the rest of the body is where we're at with him.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 2:58 pm 
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Interesting that the Hawks are reported as having made the following offer for Merrett:

#No.9, next year’s first-round, and either a second-round pick in 2027 and pick 62 this year, or a Hawthorn player such as midfielder Henry Hustwaite.

So Merrett is worth a top-10 pick this year and a first-rounder next year (probably a shitty one, as the Hawks will possibly do well - let's say #16) and either two more picks or a nothing mid.

If that's the baseline for Merrett, then Charlie is worth significantly more.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 3:01 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Swans 2025 & 2026 1st rounder plus Hayward is fair IMO.
I'm not too bothered about Florent.
But no way we give them back pick #22.



They clearly think Carlton's list managers are friggin stupid

So disrespectful.



I wouldn’t disagree with them. Same guy gave up a top 10 pick for Adam Saad


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I don't think its disrepectful, but more their duty to ask.

Some think it was the Saady trade was agreat deal. Some don't.

Maybe we could have squeezed Dodo more given Saady wanted to leave.
Maybe Saady didnt want to leave Bumbers on a sour note?

Should we have avoided the deal altogether and used the pick on a kid?
We did that previously:
pick 3 Dow
pick 5 SPS
pick 10 LOB


Who really knows?

Pity Williams broke down, because when the 3 of Doc Williams and saady were in top form in the preseason, they were a machine.
Never got to se the potential of that threesome running ball from the backline.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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There is another issue with the Picks themselves. In a Weak Draft, Pick 11 from Sydney is not really going to be a 1st round pick. Its probably equal to a pick 22 from previous Drafts so all of Sydney's pick offers are no different than Geelong's. They give us peanuts.


A Fair Trade for Charlie should have invloved a Club willing to part with Pick 3-9 but reality is so far away from that.


Austin needs to push harder for better players from Sydney. Swap Florent for a Goulden and you have a deal!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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bluechampion wrote:
If that's the baseline for Merrett, then Charlie is worth significantly more.

A couple of years ago Charlie was worth significantly more (a kings ransom) but right now they would be pretty similar I would have thought.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 3:22 pm 
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Henry Hustwaite is the kind of name we need at the club.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 3:33 pm 
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I wouldn’t give up pick 22, however, rest of deal is ok.

Charlie isn’t professional, let’s not over rate him

2 F1’s and good character footballers who have skills we need


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 3:43 pm 
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london blue wrote:
I wouldn’t give up pick 22, however, rest of deal is ok.

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 Post subject: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 3:51 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
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Swans 2025 & 2026 1st rounder plus Hayward is fair IMO.
I'm not too bothered about Florent.
But no way we give them back pick #22.



They clearly think Carlton's list managers are friggin stupid

So disrespectful.



I wouldn’t disagree with them. Same guy gave up a top 10 pick for Adam Saad


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I don't think its disrepectful, but more their duty to ask.

Some think it was the Saady trade was agreat deal. Some don't.

Maybe we could have squeezed Dodo more given Saady wanted to leave.
Maybe Saady didnt want to leave Bumbers on a sour note?

Should we have avoided the deal altogether and used the pick on a kid?
We did that previously:
pick 3 Dow
pick 5 SPS
pick 10 LOB


Who really knows?

Pity Williams broke down, because when the 3 of Doc Williams and saady were in top form in the preseason, they were a machine.
Never got to se the potential of that threesome running ball from the backline.


That’s the point, Saad had already left the building, and Essendon* were making plenty of unsavoury comments about him in the media. He was never going back there. Austin was way too soft. He should have traded out pick 8 for two picks in the teens and said here you go Dodo you get one of these picks, take it or leave it. Just like how Geelong got Bailey Smith for pick 18 or whatever it was.

Pick 8 for half back flanker who was never going to go back to his former club is just nuts


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