tap in 79 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Who has more upside? Charlie who turns 29 in Feb, with chronic knee issues, Hayward who turns 27yo this month, and has played over 20 games every year since 2020, (we offered him $800K for 5 years last year), or 27yo Florent, who has played more than 20 games a year since 2020, except for this year when he wasn't injured but played only 16 games?
No one knows, but we do know we need to add quality and improve our depth. We need more speed, and depth and we need more from our KPF.
Hayward and Florent are best 23 players for us, but we don't know what we will get from Charlie. Add the offer of Sydney's pick 10 to accompany our pick 9, and we have a great player with those 2 picks; ready made or a top 5 kid, AND get our boy Dean with our SOS compo. WE also secure our hand for Cody Walker next year, with another First round pick from the Swans.
Why would anyone be miserable if a 29yo Charlie goes for 2 players and 2 first rounders? Its not like we are losing our 2026 or 2027 premiership KPF if we keep him and still have holes on our list.
Florent and Hayward... look they just aren't goo enough. That's a fact. If the Swans truly valued these two players they would get in the top 10 of their b&f.
They're taking the mickey in offering these two. It seems like this whole charade is being led by one greedy player manager who surprise! surprise! managers these players.
Those guys have egos bigger than an ocean. Why are clubs' futures being decided by these intermediary people. Sit down and know your position.
It seems like Carlton would be doing them a favour by taking these two average players for them. This isn't "win/win" it's "Swans win/Carlton lose".
Happy to trade if we get overs. This isn't overs. The draft picks are ridiculous. Pick 12 turns into pick 16 or whatever. It isn't anything of real value.
Chad Warner for Curnow. That seems feasible.
I get where you are coming from. But I'd still wantthis year's first with Warner. Charlie is contracted.
I think you may have all chips in for Charlie becoming a superstar. One who will stand up in Finals. I recall his return when we needed him most in the 2023 Finals series. He's not the superstar you make out. He's a 2 time Coleman Medallist. He's nowhere near Fevola, and we got rid of Fevola when he was 29yo too. Fev had already peaked. Maybe Charlie has too. IMO Charlie is a big risk in the future, and I wouldn't put my faith in him. I know you're talking about perceived value. My perception is he didnt feature in our BnF this year, and his best is behind him.
You value BnF top 10. That's OK. I'm more focussed on their role in our best 23. They are good enough to make that easily. Then there's the other 2 firsts in our future post 2026 we should value.
You want a better deal? Me too!!
But have to be realistic, there's going to be a deal made today, and we will get the 2 firsts and 2 good players we want and move forward from there. I think it will be a good outcome for the Blues because we can hold onto the player and take on the risk of doing so if we want. We do have a choice. No need to burn your Membership over Charlie. He wont miss you. Fk Charlie. Its time to do our final clean out of the place.
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I just counted the number of seasons they’d both been in the league. Didn’t take into account the draft age was different for Fev.