Which one is it?

Seriously, if this is what they think they should wind the club up NOW.

Fix up the @#$%&! reasons people want to leave. From the outside it looks like they've had consecutive coaches and leadership groups who are @#$%&! idiots or straight out cauliflower.

A bit like us!

The Eagles got all nervous about this shit after Judd left (and Freo use to as well) but now it's @#$%&! hard to get any cauliflower out of there.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

amazing

Wouldn't be the end of the world, losing pick one might be, though.

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Pick 1 & 3 vs Pick 1 & 19.

If this is what it comes to I think we'll survive. Francis could well be the best player from the draft @ 3 if developed properly.

No. We should get what we'd be entitled to. Picks 1 & 2.

They can stick pick 3 !

They insist that there is little difference between Brisbane and Carlton (at least they acknowledge it). Yet if they had finished on the bottom and got a band 1 compo pick for Leuey they would have happily accepted picks 1 and 2.

I'm not disagreeing in a technical sense. They should follow the rules set down each year and shouldn't just change things to suit one club, however, in a practical sense it still might work out all right for us.

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Whilst in theory #1 and #3 is more than OK, what if Kreuzer attracts an offer of 4 years @600k, and the year older (an actual part of the criteria) can only muster 3 years @400k or anything that is clearly under Band 1.

Then what?

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This debate (for a better word) would not be occurring if Brisbane had finishes last. There was talk they where going to get pick 2 for Luey before last weeks game even and everyone was ecstatic!
Flower them.

Restricted free agent for starters so we can match but I believe we have offered more than that.

Give us both PPs and judge Kreuzer and Leu on their own merits.

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With you x10000
It's not our problem
Huge ramifications for the integrity of the AFL if the draft is manipulated by head office

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Absolutely. Was referring more to the comments from the Lions Chairman who seems to want to disregard anything in the actual rules and criteria of free agency and just value Leunberger on equal terms with Kreuzer....

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http://www.news.com.au/national/carlton ... 7520026495

CARLTON faces weeks of list limbo after the AFL declared itself unable to offer a free agency compensation value for ruckman Matthew Kreuzer until an offer is formally put to him next month.

AFL football operations manager Mark Evans this week warned Carlton is not assured a first-round selection as compensation should Kreuzer elect to leave under free agency.

Even if the “complex” secret formula used by the league to work out the level of compensation demands a first-round draft selection, the league can veto if its expert committee rules the outcome “materially anomalous”.

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

What a crock of shit

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WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

#GUILTY

unbelievable.

really.
unbelievable rubbish.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

Okay, we will take picks 1 & 3 if that helps out our brothers up north.

We will take Aish or Mayes as a reciprocal gesture from them.

All sorted. What's next?

I think the AFL should grant both clubs priority picks.

The Lions' should be pre-1st round in recognition of the fact that they have been ordinary for longer than us, and it was within their power to tank against WB and they didn't. Not tanking when it is grossly beneficial to do so should be incentivised.

To compensate us for the loss of the first effective pick when this debacle is not of our making, and to discourage us from getting all litigious about it, we should then be granted a pick before the beginning of the 2nd round. We retain the first pick in the PDS because we finished 18th.

Free agency compensation picks for Kreuzer and Leuenberger should then be assessed entirely on their own merits based on the previous precedents and the commonly accepted formula and granted in whichever round is appropriate based on the facts of the cases. This avoids creating more bizarre free agency precedents that just cause headaches down the road to solve an unrelated problem.

It solves the AFL and Lions' problem by ensuring they get one of the best two players.

Carlton will love it because we'll get probably the same players we expected to get prior to the Lions/WB game, and an extra top 20 pick to boot, fast tracking the rebuild.

The media will love it because it's an elegant solution and they're easily impressed and because only Emma Quayle rates picks outside the 1st round anyway.

The other 16 clubs will tolerate it because their own 1st round pick is no worse off than expected and because they don't really want any rival to get the two best players in any draft if it can be avoided (neither would we). It may even improve their first round pick by a spot if the AFL ultimately only deems Leuenberger is worth band 2 compo when the temptation would otherwise be to 'tinker' with his value to compensate Brisbane.

So the only people who will hate it is fans of other clubs who are ultimately unimportant, and Carlton fans who don't trust Brisbane to take the local kid with pick 1.

Lion more ordinary than us and get a pre 1st round. Are you serious? They then get the academy players too.

Last time I checked they have a number of nice key position players developing in this side. Where are ours?

No don't buy this.