Was just reading that article. Great article with good insights about having to coach with a two break to decide their decision making in a simulater match situation.

Surely Horse is a lock for Tassie or a club with a less aggressive supporter base...

Essendon** and Carlton will eat him alive like Mick and Worsfold.

Kouta if you think that would be the case for Horse, a battle-hardened Coach...........what would happen to a newbie?

We have all seen both sides. Malthouse vs Teague. Pagan vs Bolton.

The desire for instant gratification is now ingrained in society. If you polled the members and you told them the team would play off in a GF in 3, 4 or 5 years, would they be happy to hear that?

3 Sure. 4 Maybe. 5 I'm off to do something else.

You only have to look at the fan base here on TC from one week to the next. There's posts based on Passion. Posts based on Rational thinking and then there is the mandatory..........."Sack everyone, it's all @#$%.'

3 weeks later all is forgiven..............mostly

I'm pretty happy with the Selection Panel. I think all bases are covered.

As a slight curve ball, I would add Travis Boak to the mix. The game evolves so quickly, I think having a recently retired player, who has done the hard yards, can help to sort a Coaches 'fact from fiction' i.e. what a Coaches game plan looks like measured against a players real world perception of what is achievable.

I don't think Williams needs to be in the room. He can monitor the conversation from elsewhere.

Graham Wright, Rob Priestley, Chris Davies, Adam Simpson and Travis Boak. Davies, Simpson and Boak have only had 6 months at the club, so I consider them more outsiders than in.

Regards Cazzesman

The desire for instant gratification is now ingrained in society. If you polled the members and you told them the team would play off in a GF in 3, 4 or 5 years, would they be happy to hear that?

3 Sure. 4 Maybe. 5 I'm off to do something else.

After 27 years?

Sign me up for the 5 year plan now please!

Great post Cazz

Great idea. Boak wouldnt hurt. He would add value.

I really like that Simmo and Boak would be outsiders but know the Players, the gaps, the philosophies of the assistants, their voice in Vossy's room, and why Vossy failed the group, and why Fraser has moved the needle, intimately.

But like Bartel Boak hasn’t coached

John Anderson wrote an article recently about the lack of accountability of boards in regards to sacking coaches
You was responsible for employing them
The Essendon** board have cost the club 1.5 million dollars by sacking Scott
The Carlton board’s decision to sack Voss has cost the club around half a million
When have you ever seen a board member front the media and say I’ve [REDACTED] up

As said by the club the board need to approve the decision made by the selection panel
Yet one board member is on the selection panel
Then Greg Williams in his consultancy role will relay info to the board
Simpson how did he go in being an advisor to Voss
The board [REDACTED] up the appointment of Voss
So those responsible should have nothing to do with with the selection process

Perhaps Simpson was the reason Voss was sacked. Maybe he convinced Wright Vossy wasn't up to the task.

If that is the case, then Simpson should be your Hero.

As for the Board, they just ratify the decision of the Panel. They are a necessary rubber stamp. Yes, I will grant you that Sayers was a loose cannon and needed to go. His end run in an attempt to get Lyon was a disgrace and he got his right whack.

Honestly you make zero sense. You want the Board to be accountable, but you don't want a Board member on the Panel to ensure the Process is conducted in the appropriate fashion. You make it sound like Williams will have the final say.

The irony here, is I know it will not make one ioto of difference what I say. You are the Eveready 'Never Happy Man', so any result - Win/Lose or Draw will be a unmitigated disaster in your mind.

Regards Cazzesman

So tell me why he is allowed to be a consultant to the board still
I position of being consultant so he gets paid to be a board member

Tell us about the inner workings of the Carlton Board. Who is responsible for what? Who gets paid and how much? What is Williams retainer/stipend/fuel money? Why shouldn't Williams permitted to be a Consultant? Is it Illegal or against Board rules? Is it immoral?

Williams is being listed as a Consultant to the Panel. What does that entail Keogh? What input will he have?

How is the Panel going to Operate?

What questions are going to be asked of the Candidates?

Regards Cazzesman

You didn’t address the issue of his memory

The problem with Cazzeman and others is when someone puts on the Carlton uniform they instantly do no wrong
I call it “ The Setterfield Syndrome “
Remember him
I was critical of SOS spending a second rounder and pick 43 on a vanilla footballer
But I was howled down as being too negative
Your not a true supporter
Piss off and support someone else
And when he had one decent game out of the nine previous ones I was wrong
Guy can really play
Then we traded him for a fourth rounder to our old enemy Essendon**
All of a sudden he was the biggest spud in the park

What I want is 4 people on the panel
Wright Davies and 2 people independent from the club
Bartel because of his knowledge of the modern game
Leigh Matthews or a Paul Roos for coaching experience

Simpson has aspirations to coach again and was employed by the club this year
No thanks
No board members on the panel and zero interference from the board
Hey I’m happy

Leigh hasn't coached since 2008 and Roos since 2016. Bartel hasn't played since 2016. You couldn't find anyone vaguely more current?

Regards Cazzesman

How about Adam Simpson?

For the record, I think you’re out in front on this one keogh - shades of The Cleaner (the common man’s Vo Rogue) at his best.

And yet, there’s at least one case of McAdamingitis that was never cleared up.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-afl-s-kingmakers-how-the-next-premiership-coach-will-be-found-20260527-p601b5.html

Really interesting article about how clubs select their coach selection panels and their coaches.

This is a pretty extraordinary stat..

“Since 2004, only Mick Malthouse, in 2010 with Collingwood, has won a flag with a club that was not his first. Of the 60 preliminary finalists since 2011, only four were coached by men at a second club – Malthouse (2011), Lyon (Fremantle 2013 and 2015) and Michael Voss (Carlton 2023).”