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famousblueraincoat
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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So geelong want to massage us into a second round pick so they can use their first round pick on Dangerfield.

Hendo is going to be disappointed when we tell them to GAGF.
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famousblueraincoat wrote:
So geelong want to massage us into a second round pick so they can use their first round pick on Dangerfield.

Hendo is going to be disappointed when we tell them to GAGF.


Geel don't give up anything for Dangerfield. He is a free agent.

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TheSwan wrote:
famousblueraincoat wrote:
So geelong want to massage us into a second round pick so they can use their first round pick on Dangerfield.

Hendo is going to be disappointed when we tell them to GAGF.


Geel don't give up anything for Dangerfield. He is a free agent.

They do if Adelaide match it.
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famousblueraincoat
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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TheSwan wrote:
famousblueraincoat wrote:
So geelong want to massage us into a second round pick so they can use their first round pick on Dangerfield.

Hendo is going to be disappointed when we tell them to GAGF.


Geel don't give up anything for Dangerfield. He is a free agent.



True :razz:

But still, we don't want to bring in someone that they don't value. Unless we hand pick the player we should choose our own through the draft.
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AGRO
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Beantown wrote:
TheSwan wrote:
famousblueraincoat wrote:
So geelong want to massage us into a second round pick so they can use their first round pick on Dangerfield.

Hendo is going to be disappointed when we tell them to GAGF.


Geel don't give up anything for Dangerfield. He is a free agent.

They do if Adelaide match it.



Which is why we're in la la land to think we're going to get a first rounder from Geelong for Henderson.

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AGRO wrote:
Beantown wrote:
TheSwan wrote:
famousblueraincoat wrote:
So geelong want to massage us into a second round pick so they can use their first round pick on Dangerfield.

Hendo is going to be disappointed when we tell them to GAGF.


Geel don't give up anything for Dangerfield. He is a free agent.

They do if Adelaide match it.



Which is why we're in la la land to think we're going to get a first rounder from Geelong for Henderson.

I'm not seeing a top 10 coming our way for Hendo without an additional pick or player going back their way. Not sure Geelong could trade for Danger without decimating their list ie Judd trade. I reckon if Adelaide match it he's staying there.
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Henderson already found a place to live down there. Whatever deal it is... its already agreed to. Forget shopping him around for the best deal. It aint happening. He's playing at Geelong next year.
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TheSwan
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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When has a club ever matched an offer?

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moshe25
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TheSwan wrote:
When has a club ever matched an offer?

Cloke?

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Josh Walker can play. Probably seen as surplus to Geelong's needs up forward when they have Hawkins, Vardy, Clarke, Stanley and Kersten (though not sure of his contract status) as tall options. He'll be 23 in November. Has good hands, hits contests hard (doesn't mind the physical contest) and has a good work rate. He's also quick. At Geelong's time trials it's Mark Blicavs, Selwood then Walker. Can play as a lead up forward or pinch hit in the ruck (which would leave Levi to play forward all game). He knows what a successful club environment looks like and that you need to work hard to make it (having come off Geelong's rookie list, like Carrazzo which worked out pretty well for us). And for those who like trivia his Grandfather is Geelong premiership player Peter Walker.

He kicked 19.10 this season
Could come in and be our leading goal kicker :) Mind you he did kick 4 against GC and 5 against Brisbane.

If they took Liam Jones, l would take this trade.
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kezza
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moshe25 wrote:
TheSwan wrote:
When has a club ever matched an offer?

Cloke?

That wasnt exactly a matched offer. He never accepted ours and ended up signing with Collingwood.
Free agency is only new so I am sure a club will match an offer sooner rather than later.
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Humpers wrote:
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time for our club to make a stand cats first pick or henda goes somewhere else and i hope danger stays at crows.


I agree - needs to be a first rounder.
Not interested in fringe players from other clubs - we have enough of these already.


Yep, a fringe player. Turns in the odd good game against inferior teams, pass.
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kezza wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
TheSwan wrote:
When has a club ever matched an offer?

Cloke?

That wasnt exactly a matched offer. He never accepted ours and ended up signing with Collingwood.
Free agency is only new so I am sure a club will match an offer sooner rather than later.

... than what?

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DLC wrote:
Josh Walker can play. Probably seen as surplus to Geelong's needs up forward when they have Hawkins, Vardy, Clarke, Stanley and Kersten (though not sure of his contract status) as tall options. He'll be 23 in November. Has good hands, hits contests hard (doesn't mind the physical contest) and has a good work rate. He's also quick. At Geelong's time trials it's Mark Blicavs, Selwood then Walker. Can play as a lead up forward or pinch hit in the ruck (which would leave Levi to play forward all game). He knows what a successful club environment looks like and that you need to work hard to make it (having come off Geelong's rookie list, like Carrazzo which worked out pretty well for us). And for those who like trivia his Grandfather is Geelong premiership player Peter Walker.


His isn't quick.
As for 3km time trials, they're a better measure of endurance not pace. Thats why Selwood features prominently.

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2ndeffort wrote:
DLC wrote:
Josh Walker can play. Probably seen as surplus to Geelong's needs up forward when they have Hawkins, Vardy, Clarke, Stanley and Kersten (though not sure of his contract status) as tall options. He'll be 23 in November. Has good hands, hits contests hard (doesn't mind the physical contest) and has a good work rate. He's also quick. At Geelong's time trials it's Mark Blicavs, Selwood then Walker. Can play as a lead up forward or pinch hit in the ruck (which would leave Levi to play forward all game). He knows what a successful club environment looks like and that you need to work hard to make it (having come off Geelong's rookie list, like Carrazzo which worked out pretty well for us). And for those who like trivia his Grandfather is Geelong premiership player Peter Walker.


How did this latter day Royce Hart end up in the Rookie Draft? Dean Cox Mk 2? What was the initial rub on him that saw every club overlook him a couple of times before Geelong finally picked him up?


I guess the same way that Josh Jenkins (now at Adelaide but pick 12 by Essendon*), Tom Jonas (16 - Port), Luke Dalhaus (22- Bulldogs), Jason Johannisen (39 - Bulldogs), Jeremy McGovern (44 - West Coast), Will Langford (85 - Hawthorn) all did. It happens.

Josh turned 18 the week prior to the National draft so maybe as a big guy Geelong recognised that he would need time to develop. He was a nominated Rookie in 2013 and played in the QF against Freo. Geelong saw enough in him to elevate him from the Rookie list for season 2014. He played both of their finals games. Kicked 1 goal against Hawthorn in the Qualifying Final (Hawkins kicked 3) and then kicked 3 goals against North in the Semi Final (Hawkins kicked 5). He's no dud.

He's managed to play 33 games at a club which has a strong history of success and intense competition for spots. His game tally surpasses the combined number of games played by Carlton's 3 selections in that National Draft (Watson (18), McCarthy (34) and Mitchell (42)).
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AGRO
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DLC wrote:
2ndeffort wrote:
DLC wrote:
Josh Walker can play. Probably seen as surplus to Geelong's needs up forward when they have Hawkins, Vardy, Clarke, Stanley and Kersten (though not sure of his contract status) as tall options. He'll be 23 in November. Has good hands, hits contests hard (doesn't mind the physical contest) and has a good work rate. He's also quick. At Geelong's time trials it's Mark Blicavs, Selwood then Walker. Can play as a lead up forward or pinch hit in the ruck (which would leave Levi to play forward all game). He knows what a successful club environment looks like and that you need to work hard to make it (having come off Geelong's rookie list, like Carrazzo which worked out pretty well for us). And for those who like trivia his Grandfather is Geelong premiership player Peter Walker.


How did this latter day Royce Hart end up in the Rookie Draft? Dean Cox Mk 2? What was the initial rub on him that saw every club overlook him a couple of times before Geelong finally picked him up?


I guess the same way that Josh Jenkins (now at Adelaide but pick 12 by Essendon**), Tom Jonas (16 - Port), Luke Dalhaus (22- Bulldogs), Jason Johannisen (39 - Bulldogs), Jeremy McGovern (44 - West Coast), Will Langford (85 - Hawthorn) all did. It happens.

Josh turned 18 the week prior to the National draft so maybe as a big guy Geelong recognised that he would need time to develop. He was a nominated Rookie in 2013 and played in the QF against Freo. Geelong saw enough in him to elevate him from the Rookie list for season 2014. He played both of their finals games. Kicked 1 goal against Hawthorn in the Qualifying Final (Hawkins kicked 3) and then kicked 3 goals against North in the Semi Final (Hawkins kicked 5). He's no dud.

He's managed to play 33 games at a club which has a strong history of success and intense competition for spots. His game tally surpasses the combined number of games played by Carlton's 3 selections in that National Draft (Watson (18), McCarthy (34) and Mitchell (42)).



Damn him with faint praise why don't you. :wink:

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TheSwan wrote:
When has a club ever matched an offer?


That's what I was trying to say until a certain poster decided they couldn't decipher my purple prose. :?

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Be strong blues...
First rounder or a quality player..
Otherwise I'm sure Melbourne, Bulldogs or the saints maybe a good fit.
I would love to retire and play golf and drink all day but, that ain't gunna happen..
Offer something worth while or he goes elsewhere, enough of getting fu&$...
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Be strong blues...
First rounder or a quality player..
Otherwise I'm sure Melbourne, Bulldogs or the saints maybe a good fit.
I would love to retire and play golf and drink all day but, that ain't gunna happen..
Offer something worth while or he goes elsewhere, enough of getting fu&$...

What quality player do they have that they'd be willing to trade? A future first rounder would be something worth dealing for.

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Maybe the deal will be something like:

Henderson & Carlton's 3rd rounder => Geelong
Geelong's first round pick and Josh Walker => Carlton

Hopefully we don't blink and give up our 2nd round selection to the Cats.

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