Not hatred, Wojee that's too strong a word. Try 'FED UP' with the BS that follows this guy around. Last night's FS proved there was nothing there as far as intelligence is concerned - he looked so far out of his league next to Darcy it just wasn't funny.

Be honest with yourself, what has he produced - nothing but average football with the occasional, very rare act of brilliance but mostly just a bad attitude. His negatives now heavily out-weigh his positives.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the bloke and held out hope like you do that one day he will lead us to greatness - I've woken up and clearly smelt the coffee - stop wasting your time.

Let’s trade him , top six pick and either another pick 10 to 15 or
a quality youngster preferably in the Backline or Ruck.
Sure he is game winner in good side, but lack s respect for the club, and may be brainless at anytime, the patch up in the media was just that, very poor show.
How much more damage does this proud Club have to endure
Ciao

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I've maintained for some time that the best thing for Fev would be to get off the Footy Show. I think the scorn that's heaped on him for being "unintelligent" and "a moron" would be reduced significantly if that were the case. Obviously he's making himself good money by being on the show and he's entitled to do so.

He kicked 49 goals, 14th highest in the league and this is despite him producing "nothing but average football with the occasional, very rare act of brilliance but mostly just a bad attitude" and playing for the wooden spoon side with the poorest midfield in the competition.

His body language and "attitude" will always be an issue with him, I agree, but I don't think it's as big a deal as people make out. Off field he has been relatively incident free compared to earlier in his career, and if people can put aside Lappin's early misdemeanours there's no reason why they can't do the same with Fev.

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Did anyone else see Fev on the Footy Show last night. What a goose.

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Wojee - You know it -I know it - the hole dam football public know it that this guy has huge talent. The only problem is he doesn't have a brain. Go back almost 20 years and look at Warwick Capper - enormous talent was guided through a couple of years by Healy -Williams and Wright - once these guys moved on he went to pieces. Fevola doesn't have Healy- Williiams and co to guide him round the park he has to think for himself - He is not capable of doing so. We need Lances football brain in Fevs body. We will keep waiting for this guy to produce and there will be flashes of brilliance along the way but if you are waiting to see Fevola at his best dont bother he produced his best on the 31st Dec 1999. It will never get any better than that and the more he sees his name in lights the worse off he will become. Richmond have persisted with a guy like this for years it doesn't work. If you ever saw that series on the ABC about the draft when it Featured Fevola - Headland and Ramanaskus - it was 7 years ago and he hasn't changed he still needs to be nursed through . His fellow players and coaching staff eventually get fed up with it. He may stay at Carlton because he may be untradable.

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This is where I get a bit lost.

Firstly how many games did Fev win for us last year? Kicking them from outside 50 and in pressure situations. No need to go back to the Millenium game to see his talent.

Secondly if you mean Richo is a failure then please can we have some more of those blokes at the club. Best contested marking player in the league. Poor body language and a kick for goal. He does however win games and cause huge problems for the opposition and gives his absolute all on the field.

and yeah by the way kicked a lazy 700 goals as well.

[quote="Sydney Blue]
Wojee - You know it -I know it - the hole dam football public know it that this guy has huge talent. The only problem is he doesn't have a brain. Go back almost 20 years and look at Warwick Capper - enormous talent was guided through a couple of years by Healy -Williams and Wright - once these guys moved on he went to pieces. Fevola doesn't have Healy- Williiams and co to guide him round the park he has to think for himself - He is not capable of doing so. We need Lances football brain in Fevs body. We will keep waiting for this guy to produce and there will be flashes of brilliance along the way but if you are waiting to see Fevola at his best dont bother he produced his best on the 31st Dec 1999. It will never get any better than that and the more he sees his name in lights the worse off he will become. Richmond have persisted with a guy like this for years it doesn't work. If you ever saw that series on the ABC about the draft when it Featured Fevola - Headland and Ramanaskus - it was 7 years ago and he hasn't changed he still needs to be nursed through . His fellow players and coaching staff eventually get fed up with it. He may stay at Carlton because he may be untradable.[/quote]

SB, couldn't have said it better myself. How well have Richmond gone since the great talent of Richo arrived at Punt Rd - CRAP!!

HE is an infection.... great bloke, crap team member. He had a good year 2005 but he is 30 - who wants to waite 5 years for Fev to mature? Not me. You're right, we don't have the team structure and stability to get this guy through.

If we had Lance's brain in Fev's body he'd spend the off season at the TAB scoffing pies and spend the first half of the season trying to get match fit.

Other than The Footy Show the main problem as I see it with Fevola is that I think he's always got by on pure talent alone and has never had to put in the hard work that players blessed with lesser footballing ability have had to. Call it laziness, stupidity or whatever you like, it's hard for him to put in the effort when he's probably grown up doing the minimum he's had to. Ironically I believe Lance has the same football philosophy as Fev.

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Don’t get me wrong Fev’s is a mercurial talent and proven goal kicker too enough said already.
We don’t expect eloquence and loyalty to the club just to flow from his mouth but public relations and his personal demeanor, will always be big issue as long as Fevs in the shinny light.
If he stays the question is how doing you mange this bloke, his antics and immaturity?

Ciao

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maybe we can get him debarked....

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The biggest problem with Fev is his Footy Show gig.
He's doing himself a huge disservice by going on the show and allowing himself to be the butt of jokes. He's the current day Dougie Hawkins.

Fev is a hit with the kids and I think this can be attributed partly to his "immaturity" that people keeping pointing to. He is like a big kid at times, and it's this quality that makes Lil' Miss Wojee love him.

I think the first step to managing Fev's career would be getting him out of the media. His big kid kind of demeanour leads him to saying things impulsively which can let the club and himself down.
I'd also see if I could organise a mentor for him to help with his preperation for football, and also about the attitude he projects on field. He needs to realise that things aren't going to just happen for him. Perhaps a chat with someone like Peter Motley could also help ground Fev in reality a little more.

Before anyone says it's not worth it to invest so much time and effort into any one player I say if he's kicking 49 goals in a season where he's been written off as poor by friend and foe alike, what will be the likely payoff for helping him realise just part of his potential?

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Matera kicked 38 goals as WCs leading goal kicker. I would prefer Fev was a team leader and worked with and for others like Waite, Fish etc to impact a game rather than relying on one volatile loose canon.

Aren't you all sick of the 'lace out' crap that is constantly thrown up as an excuse? Reminds me of the Miami Dolphins kicker from Ace Ventura - I see Fev's bedroom covered in hate posters of CFC mid fielders because the ball wasn't delivered lace out.

Wake up to yourself, Fev, the true greats never carry on like that.

And?
The Eagles would be unbackable favourites for the flag if they had Fevola.




We've already seen that team game since the return of Fisher. I doubt Pagan and/or the club are pinning the fortunes of the entire team on one player. That's what you do with players like Ablett and Carey, not our current crop.




It's the supporters who are the ones saying our midfield delivery is hurting Fev's ability to get on the end of the ball. Fev does show his frustration at poor delivery, but has always came out after a shocker and said that he needed to improve his game, never that he'd play better when the midfield pulled their fingers out.
(I'm afraid I don't get the Ace Ventura reference, I tried to watch it but thought it was poo and switched it off )




Yeah, because we've never seen Buckley or Voss anything but composed toward teammates.

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2 first round draft picks

Interesting point, Duke. In the past the Western Bulldogs used Doug Hawkins as the public face of the club. These days they use Darcy and Eade.

These days Carlton provides The Footy Show's clown and, as a result, the club has become the dumbo joke for other teams to mock.

Remember when our club used to have an elite, successful image?

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Look no one doubts Fevs intelligence levels but we are being a little harsh. Richo from Richmond isn't exactly a brain surgeon either but they balance this negative by using Brown also.

maybe what we should do is also have someone else from the club do the FS and stuff someone like ??? Waite, Thornton,Stevens, French,or dare i say it... lance or campo. ??

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Richo aint a brain surgeon, you are right. What he is, is a mature, well spoken & respected footballer who the when appearing on national television doesn't have his club & their supporters cringing.
Maybe Richo could have a word when Fev arrives at Punt Rd & advise him where he got his public speaking lessons & promptly arrange a few sessions for our good friend.

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TT my good friend you know i know what you mean..
Maybe you'll embrace Fev IF he arrives at Punt Road... Do you want him and what would you give up .... In all seriousness .... IF being the big thing ???

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Here's my point, Fev makes Richo look mature, well spoken and respected - what is the world coming to.

Look, Fevola is often maligned by alot of supporters, his own & opposition. Similar to Richo (more so in the past). The reason is every one knows that these guys are real talents. What they produce at there best comes to be expected all the time, which is not totally realistic.
Fev has had a few tantrums this year, which I personally thought were overplayed by the media, but with the current media & the way things are portrayed is not great for a club with sponsors & fickle supporters. All in all, the guy is talented.
What I be prepared to trade for Fev? I don't know. Is he leaving cos he is not wanted, is it because he see a better future outside of CFC. Does he want to play at the RFC or does he just want to leave CFC.
Well hard to say, I think it would depend on how much Carlton would be willing to subsidise his contract. If they were willing to pay 50% then a first round pick would be the go, but RFC would only trade that if they could acquire a second first round pick via trades. It is not a straight forward trade when there is a huge 3 year contract involved.

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