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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:11 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:50 pm 
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Peter Wright??....YES PLEASE!! Take that and make out like a thief in the night! Couldn't be true surely!

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If we had kept Pick 7 last year we would already have Peter Wright.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:50 pm 
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Below is the rule relating to Restricted Free Agents ... there is no mention of a trade being facilitated.


"Restricted free agents have the right to move to a club of their choice, subject to the current club’s right of first refusal over their services. That is, if the current club can ‘match’ the offer from a suitor club, the player must stay or enter the draft. The tabled offer includes only football payments and Additional Service Agreements (ASA) amounts"

If I read this correctly Dangerfield cannot be traded ... he must enter the draft ???

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:52 pm 
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If I read this correctly Dangerfield cannot be traded ... he must enter the draft ???

Welcome to Carlton Paddy :grin:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:00 pm 
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dadadadada wrote:
Below is the rule relating to Restricted Free Agents ... there is no mention of a trade being facilitated.


"Restricted free agents have the right to move to a club of their choice, subject to the current club’s right of first refusal over their services. That is, if the current club can ‘match’ the offer from a suitor club, the player must stay or enter the draft. The tabled offer includes only football payments and Additional Service Agreements (ASA) amounts"

If I read this correctly Dangerfield cannot be traded ... he must enter the draft ???



Good one. Media not doing their jobs properly yet again.

Yep that's how it sounds.

Why isn't the AFL pointing this out, like they opened their gobb with the potential Kruezer compo.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:07 pm 
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I understand the strategy SOS is moulding the team in Bolts image ie we have no one over 5 foot in the forward line :thumbsup:
How can we possibly get rid of casboult Hendo Giles and Watson in the trade period
Must have some serious sized mothers coming back our way :clap:


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:09 pm 
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dadadadada wrote:
Below is the rule relating to Restricted Free Agents ... there is no mention of a trade being facilitated.


"Restricted free agents have the right to move to a club of their choice, subject to the current club’s right of first refusal over their services. That is, if the current club can ‘match’ the offer from a suitor club, the player must stay or enter the draft. The tabled offer includes only football payments and Additional Service Agreements (ASA) amounts"

If I read this correctly Dangerfield cannot be traded ... he must enter the draft ???

The free agency period hasn't started yet. So if Geelong can come up with a trade that Adelaide are happy with they will by pass the free agency period and then go into the trade period. So Dangerfield can be traded. He just doesn't exercise his free agency option.

The interesting point will be if Geelong can not come up with a trade that Adelaide are happy with. What happens then? It could go down the route that you have explained.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:20 pm 
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dadadadada wrote:
Below is the rule relating to Restricted Free Agents ... there is no mention of a trade being facilitated.


"Restricted free agents have the right to move to a club of their choice, subject to the current club’s right of first refusal over their services. That is, if the current club can ‘match’ the offer from a suitor club, the player must stay or enter the draft. The tabled offer includes only football payments and Additional Service Agreements (ASA) amounts"

If I read this correctly Dangerfield cannot be traded ... he must enter the draft ???


Well I'm no lawyer, but just because you have a right doesn't mean you have to exercise it. Presumably, one must apply to do so. If a mutually agreeable trade can be reached, there's not really any need for Dangerfield to request to be released as a restricted free agent.

Edit. Malbi too quick for me.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:25 pm 
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malbi wrote:
The interesting point will be if Geelong can not come up with a trade that Adelaide are happy with. What happens then? It could go down the route that you have explained.


The real question is is there a point where Adelaide loses compensation? i.e if they insist on matching the offer and force Dangerfield to go the draft and he ends up at a non-preferred destination, does Adelaide still get a compo pick? If so, there is not really any downside to the Crows being unhelpful.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:32 pm 
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RICHMOND says it has not offered up second-year forward Ben Lennon as part of its impending Chris Yarran deal and expects to re-sign him soon.

Lennon was dropped by Richmond for the elimination final with reports linking him to Carlton as a swap for talented but erratic defender Yarran.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:40 pm 
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malbi wrote:
The interesting point will be if Geelong can not come up with a trade that Adelaide are happy with. What happens then? It could go down the route that you have explained.


The real question is is there a point where Adelaide loses compensation? i.e if they insist on matching the offer and force Dangerfield to go the draft and he ends up at a non-preferred destination, does Adelaide still get a compo pick? If so, there is not really any downside to the Crows being unhelpful.

If Dangerfield goes into the draft Adelaide gets nothing.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:47 pm 
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RICHMOND says it has not offered up second-year forward Ben Lennon as part of its impending Chris Yarran deal and expects to re-sign him soon.

Lennon was dropped by Richmond for the elimination final with reports linking him to Carlton as a swap for talented but erratic defender Yarran.

If he was to depart it would continue this year’s trend of players wanting out of their clubs just two seasons into their initial contract.

But while his management is pursuing a better deal from the Tigers, they believe he will soon sign a new deal to stay.

The No.12 pick from the 2013 national draft played eight highly encouraging games this year after easing into his first year at Richmond.


It is understood the Tigers are closing in on his signature despite demands for a bigger contract for the 20-year-old.

A club spokesman said Lennon was a required player at Richmond who had a long-term future at the club.

“We expect to finalise the contract sooner rather than later,’’ he said.

Yarran posted a message on Instagram confirming his departure, a day after new coach Brendon Bolton said he would not plead with him to stay.

“With Chris he’s a contracted player and an A-Grade player when he is up and about. But if he doesn’t want to play we will have a discussion about what the return is.

“I think I’m in the wrong area if I am trying to convince people to stay.”

The Tigers only want to hand Carlton their second-round pick for Yarran, with the Blues likely to ask for more.

Richmond is also considering its options with Harley Bennell, but is yet to get in front of him to discuss whether he can turn around a chequered career.

The Blues this week met with GWS defender Lachie Plowman, with list manager Steve Silvagni’s knowledge of that list to help him in coming weeks.

Ruckman Andrew Phillips, the 2011 national draft’s pick No.10 Liam Sumner and defender Curtley Hampton are among those likely to leave GWS.

Rugged midfielder Tom Bugg is still yet to be told if is required at GWS given the club continues to decrease the size of its list under AFL regulations.

He was with GWS forward Jon Patton when he was concussed in an unprovoked assault outside a Los Angeles bar on Wednesday night.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:20 pm 
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Here is Michelangelo Rucci's take:

ADELAIDE has served its first ace in the poker game with Geelong on star midfielder Patrick Dangerfield by leaving the door open to a homecoming trade with another Victorian club.
Crows chief executive Andrew Fagan today acknowledged Dangerfield and his fiance were “compelled for family reasons” to return to their home base at Moggs Creek, near Geelong.
But this does not rule out Adelaide trading Dangerfield to the highest-bidding Melbourne-based club — with Hawthorn, Richmond, Collingwood, Essendon* and Carlton all primed to start an auction for the leading Brownlow Medal contender.
“Nothing is off the table,” Fagan said today.
This is a pointed message back to Geelong: Offer a genuine deal for Dangerfield or lose him to a Victorian rival, either by a trade or in the draft.
Adelaide was coy today on how it would handle Dangerfield’s free-agency status that falls into a hard-ball game between the Crows and Cats. Fagan is making no apology for setting up “a little bit of a riddle”.
“It’s not in our interest (to detail) our strategy,” Fagan said. “But I can assure our supporters and members that we will make decisions that deliver the best outcome for our football club.”
The emerging Dangerfield saga will play to this script:
GEELONG will formally table its offer for Dangerfield on October 9. It will be a five or six-year deal worth $800,000 a season with third-party sponsorships attached.
ADELAIDE will become the first club to match an offer since free agency was introduced in 2012. Although the Crows are still blind to Geelong’s offer to Dangerfield, the Crows are not short of salary cap money to counter the Cats.
DANGERFIELD then will be stripped of his “free agent” tag. He can then agree to be traded by the Crows for draft picks or players in next month’s trade market. He could also nominate for the AFL draft where Melbourne-based club Carlton would have the first pick - and salary cap space to pick Dangerfield.
Adelaide would get no compensation if Dangerfield slips to the draft.
GEELONG, currently with no pick before No. 9 in the November national draft, would have to agree to a grand trade with Adelaide - or lose out in total while so many other Victorian clubs are prepared to bid for Dangerfield.
“The issue is about compensation,” Fagan said. He is not interested in the AFL’s offering of draft pick No. 14 for letting Dangerfield walk as a free agent.
“We are going to make sure the interests of the Adelaide Football Club are looked after. And that is what we are going to do.”

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:22 pm 
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"ADELAIDE has served its first ace in the poker game with Geelong on star midfielder Patrick Dangerfield by leaving the door open to a homecoming trade with another Victorian club."

Adelaide, mixed metaphor city.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:52 am 
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malbi wrote:
Here is Michelangelo Rucci's take:

ADELAIDE has served its first ace in the poker game with Geelong on star midfielder Patrick Dangerfield by leaving the door open to a homecoming trade with another Victorian club.
Crows chief executive Andrew Fagan today acknowledged Dangerfield and his fiance were “compelled for family reasons” to return to their home base at Moggs Creek, near Geelong.
But this does not rule out Adelaide trading Dangerfield to the highest-bidding Melbourne-based club — with Hawthorn, Richmond, Collingwood, Essendon** and Carlton all primed to start an auction for the leading Brownlow Medal contender.
“Nothing is off the table,” Fagan said today.
This is a pointed message back to Geelong: Offer a genuine deal for Dangerfield or lose him to a Victorian rival, either by a trade or in the draft.
Adelaide was coy today on how it would handle Dangerfield’s free-agency status that falls into a hard-ball game between the Crows and Cats. Fagan is making no apology for setting up “a little bit of a riddle”.
“It’s not in our interest (to detail) our strategy,” Fagan said. “But I can assure our supporters and members that we will make decisions that deliver the best outcome for our football club.”
The emerging Dangerfield saga will play to this script:
GEELONG will formally table its offer for Dangerfield on October 9. It will be a five or six-year deal worth $800,000 a season with third-party sponsorships attached.
ADELAIDE will become the first club to match an offer since free agency was introduced in 2012. Although the Crows are still blind to Geelong’s offer to Dangerfield, the Crows are not short of salary cap money to counter the Cats.
DANGERFIELD then will be stripped of his “free agent” tag. He can then agree to be traded by the Crows for draft picks or players in next month’s trade market. He could also nominate for the AFL draft where Melbourne-based club Carlton would have the first pick - and salary cap space to pick Dangerfield.
Adelaide would get no compensation if Dangerfield slips to the draft.
GEELONG, currently with no pick before No. 9 in the November national draft, would have to agree to a grand trade with Adelaide - or lose out in total while so many other Victorian clubs are prepared to bid for Dangerfield.
“The issue is about compensation,” Fagan said. He is not interested in the AFL’s offering of draft pick No. 14 for letting Dangerfield walk as a free agent.
“We are going to make sure the interests of the Adelaide Football Club are looked after. And that is what we are going to do.”

That's an interesting yet dangerous game Adelaide is playing. At the end of the day Adelaide has more to lose than Geelong if it doesn't come off. If I was Geelong I wouldn't play their game. If they lose out on Danger, they haven't lost anything. It's a free hit for them, if it doesn't turn out they just sign S. Selwood as a FA and trade for Henderson and come out of the off season looking ok. Adelaide on the other hand could lose Dangerfield for no compensation whatsoever.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:17 am 
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Geelong won't let Dangerfield get away. It will cost them draft picks and a decent player, but I will be very surprised if he's not at Geelong next year.

Good on Adelaide for fighting for the best return possible for a departing star player.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:30 am 
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the difference between crows and blues is that we are more interested in picks; the crows will want a combo of player and picks.
i can see us ending up with adelaides first round picks 13 at present for hendo.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:47 am 
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the difference between crows and blues is that we are more interested in picks; the crows will want a combo of player and picks.
i can see us ending up with adelaides first round picks 13 at present for hendo.


Yeah, Geelong and Adelaide might "swap" their first round picks, with Geelong to give us Adelaide's ~#13 for Hendo. We save face because we get a first rounder for Hendo, Adelaide get *something* for losing Dangerfield (admittedly not much if it's a pick upgrade alone... perhaps they get a decent player too?), and Geelong get their man.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:53 am 
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So where does it state in the rules he can be traded? Pretty sure I read somewhere he must enter the draft.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:56 am 
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robertbb wrote:
Dominator7 wrote:
the difference between crows and blues is that we are more interested in picks; the crows will want a combo of player and picks.
i can see us ending up with adelaides first round picks 13 at present for hendo.


Yeah, Geelong and Adelaide might "swap" their first round picks, with Geelong to give us Adelaide's ~#13 for Hendo. We save face because we get a first rounder for Hendo, Adelaide get *something* for losing Dangerfield (admittedly not much if it's a pick upgrade alone... perhaps they get a decent player too?), and Geelong get their man.


If your the crows list manager you would get the sack within 30min of this happening.
Geelong get Henderson and Dangerfield only really lose pick 9????
Crows get pick 9 and lose dangerfield???
Crazy stuff
Not gonna happen.


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