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2ndeffort

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - List changes announced 18/9/15 (p

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 3:55 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:00 pm
Posts: 4055
Location: Recovering from the 1st effort

HarryFlashman wrote:

It might be a good idea to calm down on us getting royally screwed, do a little research into our new pres and you'll find that doing deals is what he does, it's actually what the whole family does & they are good, very good....getting screwed isn't in their vocabulary!
Don't let the lack of hysterics or commentary fool you, the pres knows how to wield a stick & get a deal done...

Every other time we've been royally shafted we thought we were the ones doing the shafting right up until it was too late. We thought we'd made out like bandits in the night .... until the players had to live up to the hype. Remember last year's 3 for 1 'steal', all we had to do was give up our 1st round pick, how about the massive 'coup' of getting Tutt to walk out on the Dogs and come across to us via the PSD. We were given the impression that it was US doing the shafting.

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Michael Jezz

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - List changes announced 18/9/15 (p

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:04 pm

Rod Ashman

Joined: Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:52 pm
Posts: 2044

The 3 for 1 was a steal. All we had to do was draft le verde or Goddard and we were way ahead. Don't blame the trading on our inability to draft

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The Normal One

Post subject: List Management 2015 - List changes announced 18/9/15 (p160)

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:04 pm

formerly King Kenny

Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm
Posts: 20076

The three for one isn't based on 1yr. All three showed talent to be best 22 next year.

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Juddy&theKruezers

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - List changes announced 18/9/15 (p

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:06 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:12 pm
Posts: 4426

Wouldn't mind us having a look at Hartlett if the rumours are true ...

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Blueboy74

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - List changes announced 18/9/15 (p

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:37 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:30 pm
Posts: 4589
Location: Blisstonia.

His brother tweted that Port fans have nothing to worry about. He's not leaving.

Pretty clear provided it's his choice, and not the club needing to clear cap space.....

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Effes

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - List changes announced 18/9/15 (p

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:53 pm

Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:37 pm
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Location: afl.virtualsports.com.au

Jay Clark ‏@ClarkyHeraldSun
Breaking: Matthew Kreuzer has re-signed at Carlton. More @superfooty

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kezza

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - List changes announced 18/9/15 (p

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:08 pm

Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm
Posts: 15064

Effes wrote:

Jay Clark ‏@ClarkyHeraldSun
Breaking: Matthew Kreuzer has re-signed at Carlton. More @superfooty

Good move by the club and Kreuzer. If we are still really crap in 2 years then he can move on, providing his body is sound.
Finally some good news.

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4thchicken

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - List changes announced 18/9/15 (p

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:17 pm

Robert Walls

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:44 am
Posts: 3136

kezza wrote:

Effes wrote:

Jay Clark ‏@ClarkyHeraldSun
Breaking: Matthew Kreuzer has re-signed at Carlton. More @superfooty

Good move by the club and Kreuzer. If we are still really crap in 2 years then he can move on, providing his body is sound.
Finally some good news.

Why wait 2 years? we'd be better off moving him on if he has 22 good games next year rather than waiting 2 years - younger, in contract etc -> greater trade value.

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robertbb

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - List changes announced 18/9/15 (p

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:45 pm

John Nicholls

Joined: Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:06 pm
Posts: 9354

Michael Jezz wrote:

The 3 for 1 was a steal. All we had to do was draft le verde or Goddard and we were way ahead. Don't blame the trading on our inability to draft

Absolutely. I can still see that flower Dodoro laughing to himself after our pick was called, and he got to call out LaVerde.

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Rabbit

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - Kreuzer re-signs 25/9/15

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:47 pm

Ken Hands

Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:45 am
Posts: 422

Are we any chance on Freeman or does St Kilda have the deal done?

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ryan2000

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - Kreuzer re-signs 25/9/15

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:27 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:22 pm
Posts: 4678
Location: Melbourne

Seeing Kreuzer light up after kicking that on the run goal vs Melbourne was one of the highlights of the year for me. This is the type of guy you would want to go to war with.

Fantastic news! Glad we kept him.

Shove ya picks........ give me a player with heart anyday!

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TruBlueBrad

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - List changes announced 18/9/15 (p

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:32 pm

Stephen Silvagni

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:27 am
Posts: 28528
Location: Free Beer!!

4thchicken wrote:

Assuming no FA compo, thoughts on the following?
yarran + 19 -> crows 1st round pick (12) + 3rd round (48)
dangerfield ->cats 1st pick in 2015 (9) + 2nd round 2015 (27)
henderson -> cats 1st pick in 2016 + 2nd round 2016 + walker

Net:
crows -> dangerfield + 12 + 48 -> yarran + 9 + 20 + 27
cats -> 2015 & 2016 1st and 2nd round picks + walker -> henderson + dangerfield
blues -> yarran + henderson + 19 -> 12 + 48 + walker + cats 2016 1st and 2nd round (effective 7 spot upgrade of 2nd round pick, 3rd round picks, mid 1st round + 2nd rounds in 2016 + walker as steak knives)

Impact:
crows get good compo for dangerfield
cats sacrifice 2 years of picks + fringe for 2 players that they've been chasing all year
blue act as facilitators and get good compo for yarran/henderson (compo less good if cats move up ladder in 2016)

Why are we giving up Yarran to upgrade our pick from 19 to 12 and accepting pick 48 for the privilege?

No need to involve picks 19 and 48

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aboynamedsue

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - List changes announced 18/9/15 (p

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:45 pm

Craig Bradley

Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm
Posts: 6047

4thchicken wrote:

Not bad, but I don't reckon the Crows would be totally rapt with it.

From a Carlton perspective, I would prefer if Geelong traded Walker to GWS for a pick, which they then give to us instead of Walker in the above scenerio.

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bluemagic16

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - Kreuzer re-signs 25/9/15

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:45 pm

Garry Crane

Joined: Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:49 pm
Posts: 259

Kreuze is a quality person and he will show it in the next 2 years by being a leader..

He will set the example on field for the kids..

Considering he stays healthy.

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Trigger

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - Kreuzer re-signs 25/9/15

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:52 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:06 am
Posts: 1826

I thought he was offered a 3 year contract.

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deano35

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - List changes announced 18/9/15 (p

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:53 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:45 pm
Posts: 1757

4thchicken wrote:

So your telling me that your trade theory has us getting more for losing Henderson than the Crows for Dangerfield...
:lol:

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SurreyBlue

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - Kreuzer re-signs 25/9/15

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:57 pm

Ken Hunter

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am
Posts: 10638

Great news. The guy bleeds Navy. Hopefully his body holds together and he keeps the 2015 form going.
Really happy with this. Nice to see a bloke signing on for less money to stay with the club he loves!

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Trigger

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - Kreuzer re-signs 25/9/15

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:02 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:06 am
Posts: 1826

SurreyBlue wrote:

Only because he failed medicals at the pies and the dogs, otherwise he was gone!!! Laughable quote as usual.

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SurreyBlue

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - Kreuzer re-signs 25/9/15

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:03 pm

Ken Hunter

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am
Posts: 10638

Trigger wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

Only because he failed medicals at the pies and the dogs, otherwise he was gone!!! Laughable quote as usual.

Typical comment by you as well. Having a tough time seeing a true blue stay! Oh well, you'll get over it.

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Hornet

Post subject: Re: List Management 2015 - Kreuzer re-signs 25/9/15

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:14 pm

Craig Bradley

Joined: Sat May 21, 2005 5:15 pm
Posts: 7454

SurreyBlue wrote:

Trigger wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

Only because he failed medicals at the pies and the dogs, otherwise he was gone!!! Laughable quote as usual.

Typical comment by you as well. Having a tough time seeing a true blue stay! Oh well, you'll get over it.

True blues don't do medicals at other clubs...

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