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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:32 pm 
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they need points to match bids on their 2 academy kids who are likely to get top 10 bids.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:38 pm 
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London if it comes from the Pooper Scooper on 3AW the info needs to be taken with a grain of salt
Has been categorically wrong about Kreuzer Rhys Palmer and John Barker


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:21 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
London if it comes from the Pooper Scooper on 3AW the info needs to be taken with a grain of salt
Has been categorically wrong about Kreuzer Rhys Palmer and John Barker

Came from Caro


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:41 pm 
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Ok thanks London


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:45 pm 
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london blue wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
London if it comes from the Pooper Scooper on 3AW the info needs to be taken with a grain of salt
Has been categorically wrong about Kreuzer Rhys Palmer and John Barker

Came from Caro



london and Caro are an item?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:51 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
they need points to match bids on their 2 academy kids who are likely to get top 10 bids.



Which is why GWS may be amenable to trading in a few extra second round draft picks. :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:55 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
they need points to match bids on their 2 academy kids who are likely to get top 10 bids.


The GWS fire sale. Last time that happened, Anthony Miles was in the rookie draft.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:58 pm 
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also have multiple gun academy kids for the 2016 draft so maybe they'll be open to trading players this year for a future second round pick.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:21 pm 
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Sumner will be an easy get. GWS offered him last year instead of Whiley.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:29 pm 
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Sumner hasn't really played a game for GWS for 2 years, is he worth the hassle, he was pick 10 in 2011 is this the kind of talent spotting SOS does? Hope he doesn't feel obliged to give his ' unsuccessful ' picks a second chance with us....
Anyone seen this 22 yo play?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:29 pm 
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I don't know whether it's good or bad that we want a player we rejected last year.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:32 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
I don't know whether it's good or bad that we want a player we rejected last year.


He should be steak knives at best...


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:51 pm 
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After what we picked up last year Sumner may well be a good get.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:06 am 
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Sumner and Lamb would both be reasonable additions, such is the state of our list, after our 10 best players. Both add skill and speeed and goal kicking ability.
Plowman and Phillips are sound propositions , would be sound contibutors to be developed with more opportunity.
At a guess both would be worth about our pick 20.
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bmaurizio wrote:
Sumner and Lamb would both be reasonable additions, such is the state of our list, after our 10 best players. Both add skill and speeed and goal kicking ability.
Plowman and Phillips are sound propositions , would be sound contibutors to be developed with more opportunity.
At a guess both would be worth about our pick 20.
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Does one need steak knives with Lamb....or is Lamb the steak knife?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:36 pm 
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I wonder why we get overly hung up on 1st round picks. Obviously "really" early picks tend to statistically prove their worth (with notable exceptions- ahem... Watts) but after that it is incredibly subjective. Consider Hawthorn's Preliminary Final team. Below are the top 5 possession winners from the prelim with their draft history.
1. Mitchell - 2001 Pick 36
2. Duryea - 2009 Pick 69
3. Gibson - 2005 Rookie elevation
4. Hill - 2011 Pick 33
5. Hodge 2001 - Pick 1

Other than Hodge, these guys were not considered any better than 2nd round when they were initially drafted. What this tells me is that our recruiters have misfired with tragic effect and our coaches, senior and assistant have been chronically inept in developing the talent we have. Worse still we have coughed up, Kennedy, Betts, Waite, Jacobs, Laidler, Robinson, Garlett and Grigg, who were not considered good enough for us or were booted out. And we will soon lose Henderson and Yarran. Other than the Kennedy trade that gave us Judd, all of these illustrates the point that both our recruiting and coaches have drastically under performed.

By all means get the best talent available but make sure they want to be at Carlton, they fit into the strategic plan and we FREAKING DEVELOP what we pick. Hopefully Bolton and SOS get it right, otherwise we are seriously screwed.

So a message to SOS...
1. Bring no-one in that is older than 23 - no matter how good they are - yes, even Dangerfield.
2. Pay no-one over 600k per season - see above
3. No contracts greater than a 3 year term
4. All contracts should be heavily weighted on performance
5. Pick local. If we have to choose between interstate talent and local, 9 times out of 10 pick local - I think I will spontaneously vomit if I hear that Cripps is homesick in the next year or two.
6. Exploit father son picks ONLY if we consider them worthy of a spot. That includes Jack Silvagni.

That'll do for now but its a long overdue rant I just had to have...

Peace Out... :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:21 pm 
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FYI people... no priority picks for us or Brisbane. As expected, maybe they'll give Hawthorn one cos they're getting to old?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-reject ... jy3kg.html


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:04 pm 
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Gezza125 wrote:
I wonder why we get overly hung up on 1st round picks. Obviously "really" early picks tend to statistically prove their worth (with notable exceptions- ahem... Watts) but after that it is incredibly subjective. Consider Hawthorn's Preliminary Final team. Below are the top 5 possession winners from the prelim with their draft history.
1. Mitchell - 2001 Pick 36
2. Duryea - 2009 Pick 69
3. Gibson - 2005 Rookie elevation
4. Hill - 2011 Pick 33
5. Hodge 2001 - Pick 1

Other than Hodge, these guys were not considered any better than 2nd round when they were initially drafted.


What the hell has possessions got to do with best players?? What about the rest of Hawthorns 1st round picks Roughhead Rioli Lewis Birchall and Isaac Smith added to 1st round picks traded in from other clubs McEvoy Frawley Burgoyne Hale................?? Plus Buddy!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:28 pm 
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Gezza125 wrote:
I wonder why we get overly hung up on 1st round picks. Obviously "really" early picks tend to statistically prove their worth (with notable exceptions- ahem... Watts) but after that it is incredibly subjective. Consider Hawthorn's Preliminary Final team. Below are the top 5 possession winners from the prelim with their draft history.
1. Mitchell - 2001 Pick 36
2. Duryea - 2009 Pick 69
3. Gibson - 2005 Rookie elevation
4. Hill - 2011 Pick 33
5. Hodge 2001 - Pick 1

Other than Hodge, these guys were not considered any better than 2nd round when they were initially drafted. What this tells me is that our recruiters have misfired with tragic effect and our coaches, senior and assistant have been chronically inept in developing the talent we have. Worse still we have coughed up, Kennedy, Betts, Waite, Jacobs, Laidler, Robinson, Garlett and Grigg, who were not considered good enough for us or were booted out. And we will soon lose Henderson and Yarran. Other than the Kennedy trade that gave us Judd, all of these illustrates the point that both our recruiting and coaches have drastically under performed.

By all means get the best talent available but make sure they want to be at Carlton, they fit into the strategic plan and we FREAKING DEVELOP what we pick. Hopefully Bolton and SOS get it right, otherwise we are seriously screwed.

So a message to SOS...
1. Bring no-one in that is older than 23 - no matter how good they are - yes, even Dangerfield.
2. Pay no-one over 600k per season - see above
3. No contracts greater than a 3 year term
4. All contracts should be heavily weighted on performance
5. Pick local. If we have to choose between interstate talent and local, 9 times out of 10 pick local - I think I will spontaneously vomit if I hear that Cripps is homesick in the next year or two.
6. Exploit father son picks ONLY if we consider them worthy of a spot. That includes Jack Silvagni.

That'll do for now but its a long overdue rant I just had to have...

Peace Out... :wink:

The ones that have walked have been local :lol:

But I do get your point on our obsession with interstate recruits!!!!

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