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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 9:15 am 
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Yes, going back to the well over and over again for small forwards was amateur hour shit


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 10:06 am 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Yep our club love vanilla nice boys. Thats the issue.

I dont want bad people, but i want really competitive tough dont want to lose characteristics.

And when we recruit, its a scattered approach. I mean look at our SSP appointments this year. Evans, White, Young. No KPP that can play either end.

Evans - Just why ? No offense to him, as he is gutsy, but not AFL standard. We have too many of his kind that dont offer much. Durdin, Motlop, Fogarty for example.

When good clubs recruit, then get guys that fill a need and they use for a particular purpose.



Yes winning hides all the cracks!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 10:18 am 
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But we are not winning carntheblues :(


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 10:36 am 
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Drewgirl wrote:
But we are not winning carntheblues :(

I think the point is, we were wining and the cracks were hidden.
The club thought our list was top 4 last year.
That speaks volumes.
A new coach will not fix the same issue we have had for the last 3.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 10:38 am 
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Yep but new management will help. New Coach. New footy mgr. And new recruiter.

But if the board step in and not let them do their jobs, then back to square one.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 10:47 am 
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A five-hour meeting about Voss the day after Melbourne sacks their coach: I can't think of any explanation other than disjointed, reactive thinking, and I can't see any way other than blind luck that it produces a good outcome. And if there's one bloody thing this club shouldn't be relying on, it's luck!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 10:59 am 
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What is evident is that we need to reset the culture / mentality through the football department.
Lloyd and Voss have failed and to an extent Williams.
Before we make changes to the playing group, we need to start with these changes and work our way down.
Get the right coach, who builds standards and a football manager who doesn’t accept failure and then start to align with the leadership and list.
If players don’t understand this or aren’t willing to align with these changes, then they can go now, but this is what needs to be actioned ASAP.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 11:05 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
A five-hour meeting about Voss the day after Melbourne sacks their coach: I can't think of any explanation other than disjointed, reactive thinking, and I can't see any way other than blind luck that it produces a good outcome. And if there's one bloody thing this club shouldn't be relying on, it's luck!


The board meeting was already scheduled. The timing was coincidental.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 11:06 am 
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A five-hour meeting about Voss the day after Melbourne sacks their coach: I can't think of any explanation other than disjointed, reactive thinking, and I can't see any way other than blind luck that it produces a good outcome. And if there's one bloody thing this club shouldn't be relying on, it's luck!


It was a regularly scheduled board meeting GE.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 11:26 am 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Yep but new management will help. New Coach. New footy mgr. And new recruiter.

But if the board step in and not let them do their jobs, then back to square one.

This tactic hasn't worked for the last 20 years, what makes you think it will this time?
It is just false hope that is only great for marketing.
I find it amusing that the 'sack the coach' cohort always have a caveat to blame the board if it doesn't work.
Meanwhile the players are teflon.
The playing list is not balanced enough for the current game style, everyone in the AFL knows it and it has been consistently pointed out all year in the media.
Plus we are 4th most affected club by injury this season but that is somehow the coaches, the board or the footy managers fault.
The reality of our list is Kennedy and Martin, 1 could not get a shot in our midfield because we have too many of the same players and the other was relied upon so much he couldn't be managed properly.
No coach in the AFL could have success with our list at the moment, it needs fixing first.
Changing some of the parts and not all of them will give us a better % at success.
And right now the major part that needs fixing is the list.
A new coach is false hope IMO.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 11:40 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
What is evident is that we need to reset the culture / mentality through the football department.
Lloyd and Voss have failed and to an extent Williams.
Before we make changes to the playing group, we need to start with these changes and work our way down.
Get the right coach, who builds standards and a football manager who doesn’t accept failure and then start to align with the leadership and list.
If players don’t understand this or aren’t willing to align with these changes, then they can go now, but this is what needs to be actioned ASAP.

If you think a 'reset' of the football department is going to increase the speed, foot skills and IQ of the players, I want what you are on.
Our list is 1 dimensional and coincidentally so is our game plan.
Voss has tried to implement a faster more current plan but the players can NOT execute it, this is why they burn out after 1.5 quarters.

IMO the whole club failed when they thought our list was top 4 last year and we largely only added kids.
That is why we are where we are, sacking the coach is just a band aid approach.
The biggest issue with the playing group mentality is some players have had 3 coaches now and they know it's the coach before them.
A new coach will only continue this entitlement they have as a group and the next coach will be desperate to keep them happy also and then we are back at the start again.
If you want to send the playing group a message, it is the coach stays and you go if you don't step it up.
Time for a different approach from the last 20 years.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 11:47 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
A five-hour meeting about Voss the day after Melbourne sacks their coach: I can't think of any explanation other than disjointed, reactive thinking, and I can't see any way other than blind luck that it produces a good outcome. And if there's one bloody thing this club shouldn't be relying on, it's luck!


It was a regularly scheduled board meeting GE.


Scheduled at 5.30pm to run for five hours? At least we can't question their work ethic.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 11:50 am 
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Yep a regular meeting the journos were jumping all over.

I doubt it. ITKS over at BF reckon Lloyd and Voss are gone......... It was voted on last night.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 1:10 pm 
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A scheduled board meeting it may have been, but do normal scheduled board meetings go for five hours? I think not.
That and the fact the media was all over it and the "coincidental" timing given Goodwins sacking just a couple of days before, and then nothing from the club - surely this points to big questions over WTF is going on. With nothing coming out of the club from the president or whoever, it suggests the Board clearly don't know what to do.

Incompetence much? FFS Wright is still lurking, regardless of his "official" start as CEO on the 15th August. We all know he has been at least involved with club operations for months - even if not "directly". If the intention of this meeting was to discuss where to - not only with Voss but the numerous other issues, then its like WTF has actually been achieved here?

ZERO......

Surely the club has to explain what is happening?

What is the value of "waiting" either after this weeks game against the gold coast or otherwise?

IF they are going to sack Voss then I really dont see what point there is to "waiting" till the end of the season?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 1:30 pm 
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We wanna be seen as the nice guy, thats why we wont do or say anything till the end of the year.

Appearances are everything with this club.

We pander to everyone. 'Oh no surely we cannot sack another underperforming coach'.

I wish we would go F.... It we are Carlton and do what we have to do.

Where is our ruthlessness.........

And us suffering members should know what is going on, but again they shun us.

No wonder so many of us dont feel attached and part of the club anymore.

Only way these guys will learn is if members dont sign up. But we love the club and dont do what we should be doing to teach them a lesson.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 1:37 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
What is evident is that we need to reset the culture / mentality through the football department.
Lloyd and Voss have failed and to an extent Williams.
Before we make changes to the playing group, we need to start with these changes and work our way down.
Get the right coach, who builds standards and a football manager who doesn’t accept failure and then start to align with the leadership and list.
If players don’t understand this or aren’t willing to align with these changes, then they can go now, but this is what needs to be actioned ASAP.

If you think a 'reset' of the football department is going to increase the speed, foot skills and IQ of the players, I want what you are on.
Our list is 1 dimensional and coincidentally so is our game plan.
Voss has tried to implement a faster more current plan but the players can NOT execute it, this is why they burn out after 1.5 quarters.

IMO the whole club failed when they thought our list was top 4 last year and we largely only added kids.
That is why we are where we are, sacking the coach is just a band aid approach.
The biggest issue with the playing group mentality is some players have had 3 coaches now and they know it's the coach before them.
A new coach will only continue this entitlement they have as a group and the next coach will be desperate to keep them happy also and then we are back at the start again.
If you want to send the playing group a message, it is the coach stays and you go if you don't step it up.
Time for a different approach from the last 20 years.


Maybe just give me what you’re taking and we can agree that you and I are on different wave length. Let’s see what the ‘experts’ do.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 3:12 pm 
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The Carlton Football Club can today confirm with absolute clarity that its AFL Senior Coach Michael Voss will remain coach of the Blues into the 2026 AFL Season.



As communicated by the Club in June, incoming CEO Graham Wright has been maximising the final eight weeks of the home and away season to work closely with the football department.



This has involved clear consultation with players, coaches and staff, producing valuable insights into where the AFL program currently sits, and the necessary steps that need to be taken to take the team forward. 

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 3:14 pm 
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BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
A scheduled board meeting it may have been, but do normal scheduled board meetings go for five hours? I think not.


I think probably yes, there's lots of BAU going on at the club.

BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
That and the fact the media was all over it and the "coincidental" timing given Goodwins sacking just a couple of days before, and then nothing from the club - surely this points to big questions over WTF is going on.


It was a regular, scheduled meeting, nothing to do with Melbourne's shenanigans.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 3:16 pm 
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Carlton has confirmed AFL Senior Coach Michael Voss will remain coach of the Blues into the 2026 AFL Season.


https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/18531 ... nior-coach


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 3:19 pm 
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Thank @#$%&! for that, let's get on with fixing the list. The players can suck it up and deal with it, I wonder if this will trigger (in more ways than one) the self-indulgent players to announce if they've decided to stay our not


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