Perfect opportunity to trade for another first rounder in this year's Super Duper Draft.

I am pleased he is playing well at the moment, but he has teased us like this before and let us down come season's end. So let's not get on the Lance Whitnall AA Bandwagon just yet.

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Nah hadn't noticed

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Lance will be be Captain next year no doubt.

Stevens doesnt have the on field leadership shown by Lance. Every Game I go to Lance is becomeing more involded in team structure during the game might be a good assistent coach one day.

I can only see our team going backwards next year if we trade him imagine no kouta and no lance the backline will be lost a huge mess no one from our group will step up to his position. Thorton is the next leader in the backline yet he is to negative and is normally to concernened about his own man.

Lances dad played for the club and he has been here since he was 17. His time has come. In the past three years he has been the only one I have heard saying he wants to be the next captain.

Captain-Coach!

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Synbad I hear what you are saying about Lance and I can clearly understand where you coming from, as you are worried whether Lance can sustain the form he is in for another 3 years minimum. It's only a matter of a half serious injury to Whitnall that make him go back to his old over weight bad habbit self, however as long as he can sustain the form he is in for teh x amount of years I believe there is value in Whinall mentoring and teching our kids rather then throw it away for a 3rd rounder kid who may turn out a dud.
I agree also we need some dash in the midfield someone in the lines of a deludio/Judd type player and from what I am aware of this years draft has some real depth and talent. We do need whatever leadership we have left at the moment to guide the ship to the next Premiership win.
Im in for youth injection this year.By years end I want to see the following player in one side:
Hartlett
Bower
Russell
Kennedy
Murphy
Blackwell
In the side.

Does anyone know what the story is with Raso?

I'd be pretty peeved if Stevens became captain next year. He inspires nothing.

Why would you want to trade a loyal champion of your club?

We are playing St Kilda on the weekend and thats what they do?

Carlton is about sticking by your chaplions and respecting our grand history.

lance should be captain and play out all of his days at the blues. No doubt about it.

It is bad practice to sell pride.

Those players felt emotional when Sicks talked the other day because they realise how important carlton is.

Hopefully they dont forget it.

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I would love to see that maybe if was thirty years ago. Cant do a worse job.

Any chance Lance could pay off our debt, become the first player-president in the league and stake a claim, once and for all, to being the greatest player of all time?

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I would rather trade Stevens before Lance, Stevens will not be in our next presmiership side as his body will not last many more years as being our stand out midfielder he is being knocked around alot.

Lance gives us more on-field leadership and it would please more (not all, I know ) Carlton supporters to retain him over Stevens.

JohnM wrote:

and phoenix johnson wrote:

I'd trade Lance or Stevens for a low 1st round draft pick but as you say JohnM, the only ones who'd be interested in trading away their round 1 pick will be those that are "close". eg, geelong, saints, west coast, adelaide etc. Would you trade Lance for pick 12-16? I wouldn't!

Its exactly this type of mentality that has turned us into a basket case...

The world has changed.. and those that are slow to adapt will be punbished....

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I'm with PJ....he has played very well and is probably in career best form but will it last ? . I have been a advocate of trading him and would have done so last year for the Melbourne deal....I guiess I am prepared to gamble on Hartlett and Bower being able to do the job down back in place of Lance but use the currency of Lance to snag a top pick and pick up a class player in another area that we need.....
I dont think it will happen though as I dont see many clubs wanting to gamble by clearing a established player who is performing..sometimes though you need to look at the big picture and you have to sacrifice in the short term to make gains in the long term.
We are 3-5 years off playing finals footy...would Lance be our CHB then..? I doubt it....but the player you pick up with that early draft pick could be emerging as a star....sometimes you have to roll the dice and gamble to win...

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Can you honestly see the Club trading away our reigning B&F winner who just happens to poll the most Brownlow votes by a Carlton player since 2000?

On current form Whitnall will waltz it in for the above and to hand over the leading player of the Club would be devastating for the list and membership.

I know your views Synbad but I can't see a Club whose fans have been kicked in the guts so much wanting to kill the goose.

M

This rumour has legs. I don't want to say anything else right now though..

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What a bunch of clowns!!!!!!

Yeah lets trade our best player. Get real!!!!

Do you really think by getting rid of one of the teams better players is going to make us a better team?

In every game I have been to this year I have walked out saying Lance killed it today. He not only makes our back line look stronger but our whole team.

I want first round draft picks next year too but why throw away someone that will be at the club as a player for 5 more years providing leadership and guidance to the young guys.

LANCE is CARLTON and you @#$%&! clowns need to give the trade lance shit a rest

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If you trade a guy who has got himself into career best form and basically addressed every criticism thown at him (deserved and undeserved) ... what message does that send to the playing group?

Don't try. Don't put in effort. Don't get the best out of yourself, cause we still won't value you.

luca,

it's going to be a tough call for the club, but one they'll have to make. I'd say if Lance can't give us 5 years of consistently good/excellent football due to his body not standing up, then the club would be wise to try to trade him now (for the right price, of course).

From everything I've heard/read, even a pick as high as 8 could get us a seriously good young KPP with 10 years of top shelf football ahead of him. A guy who can mature alongside Walker, JK, Murph and whoever's going to be our first round pick this year.

Do you think Hawthorn is regretting trading Croad (favourite son/supporters up in arms at the time/) to Freo for the No.1 pick? Got themselves a gun in Hodge, and if they chose even better they could've had Judd.

Smart trading because they bought low and sold high.

Imagine if we sold 'favourite son' campo four years ago? Probably could've traded our way into the 2001 superdraft, and wouldn't we all be patting ourselves on the back now?

Of course, back then, the supporters would've gone feral. Just like Hawthorn's did when Croad was traded. But you do what's best for the club.

Or alternatively we can say.. play one good year in 4 or 5 and we will make you captain???

Where were these blokes over the last 4 years or so?
Campo.. Kouta... LAnce????

This reminds me of the Wizzer Cup last year.... Pagan won it.. Sign Him UP!!!!

There is a big picture and a teeny weenie little picture....

The big picture is where this club will be in 4 years.

The small picture is taking a players performances over the last 7 weeks.. instead of the last 4 years and what his upside and net worth will be over the next 4 years into account.

Again....people are just looking at living day to day and not about the future.

Lance took 4 years to address his LAZINESS... and thats because he was kicked up the arse... HARD!!!..`not because he loves Carlton... or because he has a professional attitude.

He is likely to slip back into his past because a leopard doesnt change his spots...

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I think it is a pretty simple message. When you get paid in the "elite" player catergory you need to perform at a certain level for a sustained period of time. A club can't afford to give an elite player a 3 year contract on elite player money and not have a return on its investment.
In Lance's case a lot of his problems which have resulted in poor form have been self inflicted. For the last 4 years excluding this year his output has been nowhere near this level on a regular basis.

That is the message.