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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:17 pm 
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The question has to be asked.Why was Bentick off in the third quarter against the.Because in the last he got 16 possessions and was the catalyst in getting us going.Give him more game time DP shockers


Last quarter was junk time and he got a lot of cheap disposals....too much short stuff and too indirect..we had more of the ball but just ran around in circles with it....

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I tend to agree but i think the jury is still out on him, I think his problem is his awareness when he has posession of the footy, yesterday against freo he panicked when he had the ball which led to turnovers which cost us heaps yesterday!


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Awareness and composure are the least of Benticks problems IMO.
He knows his limitations and he's working hard to rectify them ie. pace, agility.
I admire Bentick and if he can continue to improve, I'd keep him for sure. The one aspect of his game that is underrated is his ability to lock the ball up. Too often our players are tackled and they release the ball for the opposition to take possession and run away. Houla is notorious for this.
Bentick is willing to take the hits and keeps the ball in a contest until his teammates arrive.
Dont undersell the ability to keep the ball in a contested situation.

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Did anyone else check out Bentick's stats for the weekend in the Herald Sun?

12 kicks, 13 handballs, 25 possies, 5 marks, 4 tackles in 66 minutes TOG

That's not a bad little cameo if I do say so myself :shock:


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Why was he off in the third? Ask DP. Only he can answer that. When you ask DP that question, can you also ask him why he played Lance on a kid called Webster? What the ? The opposition coaches love to see Lance down back. Is he going to cause you havoc deep in defence? Not really. What did we have to lose by playing Lance deep in the forward line? Why couldn't we plan it so someone like Livo could play down on Webster instead? I know why, because Livo has already been told it's ta ta next year - not to be considered under any circumstance. The guy (DP) is crucifying us!

Ask him why he is not willing to make a few changes? Why are we so predicatble? Why did we set up after half time exactly in the same manner with the same personnel in the same positions with the same game plan as we did in the first half. And I thought John Howard was conservative.

I tell you what, I'd say there is not one opposition coach who at the moment has to really EARN THEIR KEEP coaching against Carlton at present. It was a very easy day at the office for Connolly yesterday.

Back to AB. At 3/4 time DP told everyone to forget the tags. He told them to go out and play their natural game. In other words, he 'unleashed' them. That's why guys like AB picked up a tonne of possessions in the last. Oh, and also perhaps why we started to work our way back into the game.

Hello!!!!!!!!!

We have a number of footballers who are not your brightest sparks on the field, but I tell you what, the coaches box isn't too far behind.


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Blue Vain wrote:
Bentick is willing to take the hits and keeps the ball in a contest until his teammates arrive.


BV,

I reckon him and Kouta are the only two blokes in our side that do that.
The others give up the ball far too easily


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Exactly Rhys about Bentick.I cant believe we are being critical about the guy when he trys his guts out.Yeh he plays with limitations but the guy deserves more game time because he is good he gets the flower thing and he cares unlike some other softies in the side.

66 min 25 possessions and he was the catalyst in the last.Ok so it was junk time but it shows what the kids got between the ears.I wondered if he was injured in the third but I could see him stretching all ready to go.And we got smashed out of the centre time and time again with soft cocks in the middle .French was doing the rucking and the roving at one stage.
I dont care how many flags Denis has won. Sometimes he completely flowers up end of story.


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Keogh - he was not injured but you are completely right with the third quarter mid field set up - at one stage we had French, Kouta, Scotland and McGrath setting up in the midfield - can someone ask DP where the FUTURE IS IN THAT?

DP gets away with murder sometimes. Just like Sheedy - the two old buggers just seem to dodge the media bullet - no one is prepared to ask them the hard question when they stuff up. If it were a Clarkson or a Thompson making those decisions, they would be questioned and hounded for a week.


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Unfortunately some of us have become apathetic to the coaches box.
The Stevens v Bell v Crowley v McGrath circus on Sunday is a perfect example.
Stevens went with Bell which was a good move. However we handed back the initiative by allowing McGrath to follow Crowley.
Stevens had a perfect 1 on 2 match up which would have allowed one of our midfielders to run free.
Kouta, Scotland or Carrazzo would have been licking their lips at 5 minutes of untagged time on the ball but instead we kept a stopper on Crowley.
Unfortunately we can plan OK during the week but once the match starts, we're well off the pace.

And yet our supporters complain that our players are overpaid and underperforming :?

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Don't believe AB is over-rated, think he may just make it.

On the other hand, a number of posters here seem to believe Carazzo has ability. Let me be brutally frank - if (in fact when) we are a good side I can see AB there, whereas Carazzo would have no chance. He consistently makes wrong decisions and when he disposes of the ball it rarely hits a target. He would be skating on thin ice after Sunday IMO to hold his place in the side.

Bentick = promise

Carazzo = crapazzo

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In my estimation has beaten or broke even with Cooney Lovett and Farmer in the last 3 weeks so I RECKON you are pretty harsh
Yes he needs to work on his disposal and is not a worldbeater but I suspect he would get a game ahead of a fair few others after his performances the last 3 weeks.


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YES Bentick is limited in his ability and will be at best a Good Grade B player, but i would play him every game ahead of every single Carlton player on the list for a very simple reason : He is a true in and under player....

Name me one player beside him who is willing to go under the packs? no oneeeeeeeeee...... We have only one in and under player and thats AB....


Dennis needs to Recruit a hard nut midfielder... We need one badly....


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Name me one player beside him who is willing to go under the packs? no oneeeeeeeeee...... We have only one in and under player and thats AB...



Bit harsh Dodo.

Blackwell is an in and under player. Betts likes to win his own ball and Simmo don't seem to mind putting his head over the ball.

Don't get me wrong I love AB, but c'mon, he is not the only player willing to go under the packs.

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These young midfielders like AB, blacky and simmo go in hard.. there is no question about that, there commitment is supperb but the need to hit the gym and get some kg's on board. There too easily pushed around at the moment...


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Blackers and Simmo certainly do, but I would have thought AB hits the gym pretty hard. Apparently he can bench the most at the club at the moment and just by looking at his size, you can tell he does his weights and does them often.

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true phoenix..... bentick somethin like 150 bench...... just look at the size of his shoulders.... there massive!!!!!! true potential to be player with the hard/rough atributes like Aaron hamill with some more bulk


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Blue Vain wrote:
Unfortunately some of us have become apathetic to the coaches box.
The Stevens v Bell v Crowley v McGrath circus on Sunday is a perfect example.
Stevens went with Bell which was a good move. However we handed back the initiative by allowing McGrath to follow Crowley.
Stevens had a perfect 1 on 2 match up which would have allowed one of our midfielders to run free.
Kouta, Scotland or Carrazzo would have been licking their lips at 5 minutes of untagged time on the ball but instead we kept a stopper on Crowley.
Unfortunately we can plan OK during the week but once the match starts, we're well off the pace.

And yet our supporters complain that our players are overpaid and underperforming :?


Crowley and Bell both kicked goals early which is why Pagan didn't want to persist with the 2 on 1 matchup. Thye were cruising into the forward 50 unattended ... something had to be done about it. Bell got 2 last week, Crowley kicked 4 in the corresponding fixture last year - no way that matchup could have been allowed.

It's Pagan's fault again :roll:

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Look the guy gets the best tagger every week. No way should we trade him.

Opps ... sorry, wrong thread.


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Keogh - he was not injured but you are completely right with the third quarter mid field set up - at one stage we had French, Kouta, Scotland and McGrath setting up in the midfield - can someone ask DP where the FUTURE IS IN THAT?

DP gets away with murder sometimes. Just like Sheedy - the two old buggers just seem to dodge the media bullet - no one is prepared to ask them the hard question when they stuff up. If it were a Clarkson or a Thompson making those decisions, they would be questioned and hounded for a week.


Hang on ... is Pagan supposed to rotate the midfield or just keep Bryan, Blackwell and Bentick in the centre circle all game just to appease the supporters??? He's being criticised for both so please people, make up your minds. This constant criticism of the coach is giving me the sh!ts. We've been in so many games this year only for the last qtr efforts and skill errors of the players to stuff it up. If it was the coach's fault we'd be blown out of the water most games, especially early. And if he's lost the players they would have thrown in the towel on sunday but they didn't.

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Dukes wrote:
Crowley and Bell both kicked goals early which is why Pagan didn't want to persist with the 2 on 1 matchup. Thye were cruising into the forward 50 unattended ... something had to be done about it. Bell got 2 last week, Crowley kicked 4 in the corresponding fixture last year - no way that matchup could have been allowed.

It's Pagan's fault again :roll:


I dont know why I bother. :lol:

Would you like me to draw it in crayon for you?

Read the post. McGRATH STAYED WITH CROWLEY.
At no stage did the 2 on 1 happen. McGrath chased Crowley around from the start and added nothing. Crowley and Bell scored with McGrath and Stevens as their respective opponents.
We had the opportunity to sieze the initiative but were too slow.
Retaining the 2 on 2 achieved nothing.

Thanks for confirming my point Einstein. :wink:

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