Look the club doesnt rate Barry Mitchell.. it has its eyes firmly set on SOS as next coach..

He is our big name messiah as far as the club is concerned.

Personally i think they all have rocks in their heads.

I agree with BV... an independant board of evaluators should be brought in to decide what / who is next.

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Gee, I hope not re: SOS.

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Agree....as PJ said earlier a fairytale coaching dept of ex Blues ie SOS, Ratten etc isnt the way to go...you end up with the Kernahan connection etc etc ...Kouta will get a gig somewhere and no fresh ideas....its not 1995 anymore and those old methods dont work.

Pyke, Longmire, Hudson, Rehn....or the like....we dont need journeymen assistants like Brian Royal either......it doesnt mean they will lead us to the next flag but we need them taking our youngsters to the next level at least....Pagan, Trout and Libba are incapable of doing that...

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Very true, similar to the Hawks who recently had a handful of respected past players and coaches who reviewed the coaching panel, this panel must consist of people outside the club.

I think getting SOS back would be good but not as a senior coach, having SOS back as an assistant or a support coach would increase membership next year and he would be good to have around the club.

I attend most Bullants games and Mithchell may be passionate but he isn't polished enough for the main gig. As stated by others with the list he has we should be a top side. Regardless he is a good coach but not what we need at the moment.

which is why I keep stressing get rid of the board first!!!!!! Then evaluate Pagan not vice versa! If they get rid of him they'll eke out another 2/3 years and then where will we be?

















forgotten blueboys to go with the royboys?

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I would say yes. However, I will leave it at that as it has been discussed ad-nauseum in the past.

Purely a sop to get members on board. It's irresistible isn't it? But whether it's sanity or lunacy remains to be seen.

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What has SOS done to suggest he can coach? Just because he was a great player doesn't mean he'll become a great coach (Tim Watson?)

I don't believe it's about who should replace Pagan. It's about creating a whole new environment, inside an out, encompassing, one that will have a positive effect on our ailing club. It makes no difference if they played for Carlton or not...it's not about one person but about the environment, which is made up of a whole host of people, and an approach which is geared for success.

It needs to be brought together as a unit, not patched together, with an assitant from here, an assistant from there.

Brisbane did it (though Matthews drove the initiative). To create the environment, the coaching staff and the match committee need to be a team. A self contained unit. And they need to set a strong agenda.

I'd love a contingency to get together -- strong, respected Carlton characters who have gone to war together, who have, and will, work together as a Carlton unit. Who know each other's strengths and weaknesses, respect each other through and through as they have lived and breathed Carlton through thick and thin. Purposeful, yet innovative. Carlton, through and through.

And I'm not talking about half bit North Melbourne players like Laidley and McDonald. I'm talking about legends of the game. It would be a unity we haven't seen for a long time at this club.

Gee I hope not. Loved SOS as a player but he doesn't appear to be that sharp, or articulate. The Board couldn't possibly think that we should get a great ex player just to make the members happy - rememebr the Roys dying days when they appointed Bernie Quinlan? I'm with PJ - go outside the club, and if BM wants a senior job he should become an assistant elsewhere. Staying at Carlton is going to be guilt by association. I think DP will stay and hopefully not do much harm, we'll continue to lose and get good draft picks but hopefully DPs strengths in 1%s etc. will leave some benefit. Any coaching change needs to be exhaustive and we need to get it right. If the board wants to change the assistants at Carlton then don't leak it to the press. Wait till the end of the year and review the coaches and take action.

God we are a rabble. It is hard to comprehend how far we have fallen. The most important thing is that whoever we appoint in the future we need to be really sure we are right.

Dannyboy what you are stating is only partially true.
This season we have good VFL listed players at the bullants - last season we didnt yet we still dominated the competition. On our AFL listed players being good VFL players only - form would suggest that they are better VFL players than AFL listed players from other clubs that perform in the VFL. Which would throw out the lack of depth in our list arguement. All things being equal - during the latter stages of a season when injuries begin to bite ALL AFL teams, carlton should be performing more strongly due to our greater VFL depth. That is clearly not happening though.

That mitchell appears to be able to get the best out of out of our 'vfl-grade' players and the all the youngsters regularly would suggest to me that he is a more than reasonable coach.

One thing that I would like to know though is when did mitchell begin coaching the bullants - and who was the prior coach. Anyone have any info on this?

I'm sure Mitchel started as coach last year and he had Peter Deanas an assistant, prior to Mitchell it was Ross Lyon who is now part of the Sydney coaching team.

Lets face it we haven't got the cash or the balls to get rid of Dennis so we need to get the best support staff around him. One of them should be SOS. I agree like most he isn't coach material but as an assistant he will have an impact with our young backs coming through and he will also have an impact of the field.

We need one more astute assistant coach, a quiet achiever who can focus on the opposition and also develop the younger players. A coach who can install game plans to suit.

Prior to Mitchell, Mark Williams who now coaches Sandringham- last years premiers- coached the Bullants. Carlton weren't happy with that arrangement and wanted Mitchell to have greater control over the Carlton listed players.

See, i'm not so sure about that.

I think that we shouldn't solely look at past carlton players, as you seem to have suggested here.

I think that if we were in the market to recruit an assistant coach we should go for the best available talent. And the candidate gets no points for having previously being associated with the club.

Certainly, recruiting a former player has a touch of romance about it.

But so does the future success that would come from the recruitment of any quality coaching personnel to the CFC.

First time I've ever been mistaken for dannyboy! Is it because neither of us rhyme?

For a team without alot of natural winners, I think there's a big difference between an average AFL player and a good VFL player. I think we have lots of the latter but not so many of the former. In a very good team you can cover the difference with teamwork, leadership, and some playing greats, but we dont have that. We've got none of that. So in a different team Livingson, Teague and Chambers may be better off, or more lucky. But in our team they just dont cut it at AFL level and will remain as the good VFL players they are.

no reason either perhaps Molsey

The thing people never seem to get is big bodies. In the VFL our big bodies are good players

in the AFL they are big body players who do not get a touch. We must wait until our kids are our bog bodies.

And the kicking back rule does help the harfords, the teagues, the morells (I always wanted to do that s thing) because the game is not as fast and with the ball not going round and round and round, less demand is placed on foot speed, more on football nous.

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