It'd be unthinkable if we don't get a top three pick.

I'd rather win 2 flags in a row later than 2 games in a row now.

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Which is worth more
1 more Win this year to make you feel happy, and proud
or
Another draft pick inisde the top 20 who could help the club for the next 10 years ??
We have been crap for that last 3 years is another 5 rounds going to kill us.
Just gives you more hope for next year when we will start to play better.
Murphy, Gibbs, Blackers, Bentick Walker (looks like a nice quartet)
Not as good as Kerr, Cousins, Judd

It's all pie in the sky stuff. You can dream about winning two flags in a row, but it all comes down to much more than one draft pick. Simplifying things in such a manner is a waste of time.

Even if we win next Sunday, I can't see how we won't get a top three pick. Actually, I can't see how we won't get a top two pick. But given this draft is supposedly so strong, none of this debate really makes much sense.

15th is the ideal position for us to finish in especially if we dont win any more games and still finish 15th as we still get a gun draft pick which would be worth a no.1 draft pick in most other drafts given the quality of this years draft. a no.2 pick can still get you someone like koschitzke (who when in full flight is just as good as riewoldt), ball (who some would argue is better than hodge), wells(again some would argue he is better than goddard), walker (i think we all agree he is better than cooney). so right now we are in the perfect position and we need Essendon* to win no more games and we need to not win any more games ourselves.

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I'm not certain of the facts but how many top draft picks do Adelaide and West Coast have?
I don't remember them having too many very high picks except for the obvious, Judd.

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Fev, Slim Red and the excitement machine Eddie what a full-forward line!!

adelaide have only got 1 top 10 draft pick in their team and that's kris massie who was originally drafted by carlton at no.7 in 1997 i think.

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apart from not talking about top 3 picks but pick 19 or whatever lets try once more to get to the point of all this.

If you asked me what I would do as coach/president/God of Carlton, I'd probably say (only 60 - 40 cos a part of me morally disagrees with it) lose the games, get the picks this year and next. (specially next year's picks 1&2 hmmmmm drooling)

But we are not talking about that. So stop going on about that argument.

Given you do not want to win but alas things happen, Dees have some injuries, the lads lift etc, we win.

My question is do you then feel bad because we won.... an empty, useless emotion because it cannot change anything about the win

or do you realise things happen, shrug, enjoy the win and move on. You say you'd feel flat. And will that change anything? No.

So why not enjoy the win. Hope some luck falls our way and move on.

See the thing is some opf us were happy after that win - not before - we do get the argument John, but we realize that all our wishes are fishes floating in a dead sea of fact. The game is won - enjoy it, belt the song out, feel great for the kids, embrace your bluebaggerness, cos you are not going to change the result.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

My understanding is there is not a lot of difference between the top few picks in this draft. Judd only went at 3. Plus weren't we better off picking up Kade Simpson than Wells or Goddard?

No thats not right we would have been better off picking Goddard, Wells, Simpson AND Fisher.

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Are St K winning flag after flag with all their top draft picks?

I think Adelaide have 6 first round draft picks ... St kilda have something like 15. It's not as simple as draft picks ... Adelaide have all their ducks in a row off the field.

it easier with the better picks but it isn't the whole story.

As a point, we argue that St Kilda have bottomed out and therefor are the model to follow, yet Geelong haven't so they aren't going to win a flag (and yet as it stands it is quite possible that neither will in the near future). But we tend to say that both have a fair amount of good young kids ... yet on the other hand people here are saying that our chance of future premierships rest soley on getting pick '18' this year ... it doesn't really add up to me.

Would i prefer a priority pick this year? yep
Are we perennial losers without it? i'm not so sure ...

Ok fair enough Danny....If we win next week and continued to win and missed out on either pick 1 or 2 and the priority pick then I would think we have not got much out of the season or exploited the system in the same way that Collingwood, Hawthorn did last season and Essendon* are doing this season...appreciate your moral dilemma and losing isnt pleasant but the club, MC and recruiting staff would be guilty of malpractice if we dont get those picks..we need and deserve them...

I dont buy the theory that picks 3, 4, 5 etc are as good in a strong draft..you want 1 or 2 and pick 1 in the PSD..you want to have all the options to trade and drive a hard bargain with...

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yet some here are frustrated with Denis yet if he delivers us another spoon then hasn't he done brilliantly the last two seasons?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

As well as all the players.

and that's the point showbag.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

as long as we can get a hold of pick 45 so we can get a hold of another Simpson i will be happy.

Really though it doesnt matter what we think as fans. When the team runs on the ground they will try and win. The coach can make a few bad moves a tthe end to lose the game but i dont think he is about to do that with the pressure on him. We can argue all we want but we really dont have a say .

I like it when we win.

What's the point of this debate? It is like a group of people debating whether we need rain tomorrow or whether it should shine. We have no power to influence this, so why worry? Go with the flow and enjoy the journey.

And you can't blame those who can influence results for preferring to win rather than lose. You certainly can't expect any player to tank for the future good of the club. And given that many are calling for the coaches' heads, you can hardly blame them for trying to finish the season off well.

In any event, we already have a side that is very inexperienced and young. Not much more could be done on the selection front to ensure losses. Unless you want to go to follow the Hawks' lead and select Raso at full back. Just don't expect the players to show 100% commitment in the coming years if the Club doesn't try to win games this year.

Yeah I agree pretty disgraceful results given the list they have - I put that down to bad management rather than not having the cattle.

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