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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

The word plan is missing.

Whoever pops their head out from the shadows better have a detailed plan for the club.

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Someone has a plan.
The AFL know about it and support it.
This person might not be liked by everyone but the NAB supports him.. the AFL support him because he has REBUILT companies fropm the ground up and has links with a whole heap of business people .
When he throws his hat into the ring he will bring with him others that are relatively young .. old money plus new money... the backing of the AFL the NAB and the tv stations as well as alot of prominant Carlton people ..because they have been briefed on how he is proposing to turn the club around....
He has put his hand up before and it was unsuccesful.
He missjudged a situation gravely.

As for Elliot.. he will put his hand up for the board. Not to run the club.

Look theyre all coming out of the woodwork now... the smart thing wouyld be for someone to pick the eyes from whats available and harness it in a major way.

The Matheison Valmorbida resignations are a show of no confidence into this current heirarchy.

Look its all going to happen.. its not as easy as some of us would like to hope.. (sticking your hand in a bag and coming up with the names)...

Smorgon for all his political monouvering is a dead man walking....same with Malouf.

Everyone can see through the veil of bullshit now....

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Spot on Deano. At the moment if any of us said we were running, and 'knew influential people' we'd be greeted as saviours. We need people who are better not different. So prospective candidates stop talking, show me the plan and show me the money.

The idea of sacking Pagan in March and installing Ratts (much as I like him) or Mitch (much as I'm ambivalent about him) is ludicrous. Whoever gets on the board needs to be able to generate lots of money (ie white knights willing to knock off substantial amounts of our debt) and we need a cohesive board going the same direction. With $8m debt we are going to be in trouble whoever is running the show.

Pagan is there in 07, he won't do much damage. He was never as good as some posters proclaimed when he arrived and he is probably not as bad as some (of the same) posters claim. We improved a bit last year, have new assistants, and could do with one more PP.

When we get a new coach we must interview for the first time in our history!

Also much as Tom Elliott might be different from his dear old Dad, the vision of his drunken slobbering old man indulging in excruciating triumphalism when his son is on the board would make me want to vomit. If Tom wants to get on board, he should be very honest about his father's failed presidency, and make it very clear that he is a much different person and is not accepting any advice from the slavering old fool he has to call father. His mum was quite bright, he should show he takes after her.

So Synbad I take it this is a particular individual you are talking about? He sounds too good to be true. I guess you are not going to name him, but when is he going to show himself. And is it a worry that he has already

And if so many people know about him AFL; NAB; you; TV stations; how come the media aren't all over it, they seem to be naming new prospective board members on a daily basis. Can we hope for some Xmas cheer this Friday?

Colin

Synbad, your right in Colin is not going to make the same mistake again.
I just hope he gets his act together quicker rather than later and that supporters/members do embrase him.

so are we talking about colin de lutis? Maybe he is the saviour, although it is fair to say he has a bit history. He did most of the ground work on getting DP and presumably was in agreement that we are Carlton, we don't interview for coaches, he has woeful communication skills judging by his performance at EGM. He was also watching and sitting on his hands while Caligua Elliott manouvred his beloved club into a hopeless position. Surely it can't be Colin De Lutis. It must be someone new, someone who didn't sit on the Elliott juggernaut to oblivion. Who else is called Colin and is a potential mover and shaker at the Blues?

my point is is pagan is sacked, it still does not fix our onfield problems

if pagan is kept and we don't change the way the footy dept goes about its business then we don't fix our problems

making 1 change is pointless unless it is in conjunction with many other changes that are going to actually address our problems.

The change should be from the top.

Their should be a new board or a ticket running for board showing a clear vision for the club.

United and strong.

Once they are in place they should conduct a clear, unbiased and unambiguous review of the entire club:

- Football & Recruting Department - if this means a change of Coach, Match Committee etc so be it.

- Marketing Deptartment - if this means we have to attract more than 2 top tier sponsors and 4 second level sponsors so be it. If this means we have to set a membership target of 40,000+ so be it.

- Finance & Administration (encompassing a look at the staff morale)


Secondly they should be in a position to pay out the AFL all loans and immediately afterwards tell them to politely plant some flowers and look after other basket cases like the Kangaroos.

I have run out of English.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Sorry this sanitised shit is giving me the shits. It was meant to be a euphimism for "GO @#$%&! THEMSELVES".

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I'll respond to those pictures of Yawns etc. with this...

You might find it tedious and repititious - but that's caused by people who start the 'something is happening this friday' threads without much of a clue or the journos who are just 'fishing' for a quote to make a mountain out of a molehill. And like kids in the backseat - you start asking "are we there yet" 10 minutes into a 4 hour trip.

If you understood that analogy - we're now well into the 3rd hour. Those who are driving are checking the fuel guage as they're running out of gas.

The kids in the back seat shouldn't be asking how long they have. They should be checking out the Ferrari coming up fast behind them. They heard it before they saw it - and it won't be long before they will be able to identify the passengers in that Ferrari.

Now I could go on - but I think you get my drift. BTW - the ferrari comes with a comprehensive insurance plan.

I get the analogy and I'm excited!

Only problem is Big Kev's company failed and he's now dead.....


Not an analogy I like!

DrS....you are spot on with the "are we there yet?"...I feel I don't know enough to to make comments about the board...But from what I canm see about recruiting etc I'ld say some of the critisism on this site is unwarranted. We've generally done well with the picks we had and as for the recycles...well we swapped duds for duds.

I can wait until we're there

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“Every single element of the Club has to be the best in the league, meticulously and methodically, and only by doing this will we be elite and challenge for number 17.”
Greg Lee

Done well with recruiting... Are you kidding!

2000 National Draft
Pick 4 : Luke Livingston - gone
Pick 11 : Trent Sporn - gone
Pick 31 : Blake Campbell - gone
Pick 46 : Sean O'Keeffe - gone
Pick 61 : Callan Beasy - gone

2001 National Draft
Picks 14 & 30 (& Mark Porter) : traded for Corey McKernan (gone) and picks 23 & 39
Pick 23 : traded for Justin Murphy - gone
Pick 39 : Justin Davies - gone
Pick 75 : Sam Cranage - gone


2002 National Draft
Pick 16 : traded for Barnaby French (gone) & pick 31
Pick 60 : Cameron Croad - gone
Pick 79 : Karl Norman - gone
Pick 84 : Mick Martyn - gone

2003 National Draft
Pick 51 : Traded for Brett Johnson and Daniel Harford - both gone
Pick 57 : Ricky Mott - gone
Pick 63 : Glen Bowyer - gone
Pick 72 : Adrian Deluca - gone
Pick 75 : Stephen Kenna - gone

2004 National Draft
Pick 57 : traded for Callum Chambers - gone
Pick 67 : traded for Troy Longmuir - gone
Pick 73 : Chris Bryan - gone

Now do you want me to name some of the players we missed out because of these selections??

I think recruiting has been our biggest problem since the National Draft began. We've been stuck in our old ways while all the other clubs have moved with the times and focused on shrew recruiting.

nytdog, I'm pretty sure that the reference was to Wayne Hughes recruiting efforts (last couple of years).

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Thanks Jarusa...beat me to it...even though Shane O did have a hand also...I didn't think he was too bad...BUT it has improved in the last couple of years (no doubt thanks to WH)....so are we there yet?

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“Every single element of the Club has to be the best in the league, meticulously and methodically, and only by doing this will we be elite and challenge for number 17.”
Greg Lee

The recruiting of the last few years has no doubt been aided by the matching spoons we have and also the fact that we were able to participate in the draft.

And DrSherrin, even you would have to agree that past failed attempts [and there have been many based on what we have read in the threads] at a possible Board room shake up have been frustrating coupled with the garbage that is continually going on off the field, it is any wonder the kids in the back seat haven't tried to kill the driver.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

Picks traded during this period (player selected with that pick in bold):

2001 National Draft
Picks 14 & 30 (& Mark Porter) : traded for Corey McKernan (gone) and picks 23 & 39 (Ashley Watson & Rod Crowe)
Pick 23 : traded for Justin Murphy - gone (Charlie Gardiner)

2002 National Draft
Pick 16 : traded for Barnaby French (gone) & pick 31 (Stephen Gilham)

2003 National Draft
Pick 51 : Traded for Brett Johnson and Daniel Harford - both gone (Matthew Ball)

2004 National Draft
Pick 57 : traded for Callum Chambers - gone (Bradley P. Smith)
Pick 67 : traded for Troy Longmuir - gone (Tony Stribling)

Players picked the pick after ours:

2000 National Draft
Pick 4 : Luke Livingston - gone (Andrew McDougall)
Pick 11 : Trent Sporn - gone (Shaun Burgoyne)
Pick 31 : Blake Campbell - gone (Sam Hunt)
Pick 46 : Sean O'Keeffe - gone (Jordan Bannister)
Pick 61 : Callan Beasy - gone (Daniel Breese)

2001 National Draft
Pick 39 : Justin Davies - gone (Henry Playfair) Ablett Jr was a father son
Pick 75 : Sam Cranage - gone (Jared Poulton)

2002 National Draft
Pick 60 : Cameron Croad - gone (Daniel Sipthorp)
Pick 79 : Karl Norman - gone (Aaron Lord) PSD
Pick 84 : Mick Martyn - gone (Nathan Saunders) PSD

2003 National Draft
Pick 57 : Ricky Mott - gone (Ben Hudson)
Pick 63 : Glen Bowyer - gone (Shane Morrison)
Pick 72 : Adrian Deluca - gone (Shane Tuck)
Pick 75 : Stephen Kenna - gone (Andrew Raines)

2004 National Draft
Pick 73 : Chris Bryan - gone (Daniel Pratt)

There are some very notable misses. Sporn over Burgoyne, Deluca/Kenna instead of Tuck/Raines. But if you're trying to make out we've blown a bunch of sure thing picks over that 5 year period you're kidding yourself. 3 of those 22 picks we've either traded or wasted have turned out to be decent players.

We've had our own success stories in there too don't forget. So while I would have preferred we'd have traded and recycled less, I just don't think the situation is as bad as some try to make it out to be. We're paying the price now for our recruiting between 1994 and 1999. If we've really completely blown it between 2000 and 2004 then we won't be going anywhere at all for the next 4 or 5 years.