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QFT. However, it should not be overlooked that being Christian doesn't mean one is perfect. He is as flawed as anyone else.


And ten times as flawed as most.

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How many goals did Ablett kick on SOS in the 1995 Grand Final - yep thats right:

ZERO


And for good measure how many goals did Wayne Carey kick on SOS the week before in the 1995 Preliminary Final - yep thats right:


ZERO AGAIN.


1 for Carey, a lucky snap from 50m that rolled through.
0 for Darryl White in the 1st final

Legends are made in GFs. If Ablett retired in 1989, his record would have been intact. He was a freak player, but bar 1989, what was his finals record like.

SOS stands head and shoulder above Ablett as a man and sportsman and finals player

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SOS owned G Ablett.

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but it's not hard to separate the bloke from the player.


...Seems this is most people's problem - they just can't do it!
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SOS is my favourite Carlton player of all time but he's not even on Ablett's level. You can't compare a defender's job with what a forward has to go through. Ablett was double and triple teamed his whole career, SOS, Sexton and Dean were doing the ganging up. Punching the ball or marking the ball, it's no comparison.

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SOS owned G Ablett.


O'Reilly owned Kernahan. :lol:

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SOS is my favourite Carlton player of all time but he's not even on Ablett's level. You can't compare a defender's job with what a forward has to go through. Ablett was double and triple teamed his whole career, SOS, Sexton and Dean were doing the ganging up. Punching the ball or marking the ball, it's no comparison.


SOS may not posses the talent of ablett, but he regularly pulled his pants down, one on one IIRC.

that was his job, and he did it to perfection. can't ask for more than that
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but he regularly pulled his pants down, one on one IIRC.


I don't think you do remember correctly...I think SOS' standout year was 1990 - in a pretty shit side...after that he really didn't do much...couldn't keep his feet - regularly had a bag kicked on him by Lockett and then spilled the beans to the ATO when he could have easily shut his trap Fraser Brown style.

Well - all that's true - IIRC :wink:
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but he regularly pulled his pants down, one on one IIRC.


I don't think you do remember correctly...I think SOS' standout year was 1990 - in a pretty shit side...after that he really didn't do much...couldn't keep his feet - regularly had a bag kicked on him by Lockett and then spilled the beans to the ATO when he could have easily shut his trap Fraser Brown style.

Well - all that's true - IIRC :wink:


jeez doc, the second best full back of the century must've been a real dog then :wink:
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i'm not rubbishing abblett, i've stuck up for him more than once in here.
he had so much talent it was a joke.

but he's way off the mark saying he had sos's measure.

and i stand by what i said about him not being a big game player. (except for when geelong lost the GF in 89)

he may have won 100 games off his own boot, but i don't remember any of them being finals


PLEASE tell me you are joking. Ablett's finals series in 89 was probably the greatest finals series by an individual player in history.

Yes, he got towelled up by SOS in 95, but do you people watch finals involving other teams? He was a monster in big games his whole career. Name me one player who didn't have an off day in at least one big match they played in.

The tunnel vision in this thread is staggering. We are talking about one of the top 3 players in the history of the game.


yep, i thought i said that in 89 he was great, not so great the rest of the time imo, that's all.

i'm blinkered, so what?

barry hall is the same, shit hot every game, except when it really counts

synbad beat me to it with the top three comment too :wink:


I was responding to your comment that Ablett had a poor finals record. :-D

As I mentioned - his 89 finals series was maybe the best ever by any player.

The bloke takes a stupid shot against SOS and all of a sudden according to this board he apparently wasn't much of a player :? . I know we are Carlton but let's get real - he's one of the greatest players to ever pull on a boot. Shame he couldn't be a tenth as good off the park as he was on it.
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SOS is my favourite Carlton player of all time but he's not even on Ablett's level. You can't compare a defender's job with what a forward has to go through. Ablett was double and triple teamed his whole career, SOS, Sexton and Dean were doing the ganging up. Punching the ball or marking the ball, it's no comparison.


SOS may not posses the talent of ablett, but he regularly pulled his pants down, one on one IIRC.

that was his job, and he did it to perfection. can't ask for more than that


I agree he did a great job but at the end of the day he was still a defender. He used to bend the rules to his advantage and many non Carlton people believe he cheated with his excessive holding and they would have a fair argument. There is a reason Carey rates Jackovich as the best he played on.
Saints supporters could claim Baker owns Judd, Pistons fans could claim Dumars owned Michael Jordan. They all have a case but at the end of the day they are all negating players.

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There is a reason Carey rates Jackovich as the best he played on.



Yep - the reason is because Carey can claim that he "pantsed" Jackovich. :roll:


But he can't make that same claim against SOS. :wink:

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There is a reason Carey rates Jackovich as the best he played on.



Yep - the reason is because Carey can claim that he "pantsed" Jackovich. :roll:


But he can't make that same claim against SOS. :wink:


Should have left SOS on Carey in 99, should have left SOS on Carey in 99, should have left.... :evil: :evil: :evil:
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pity abblett was such a dud in the big games.

i stood up for this knob the other day, what was i thinking.


sos kicked his arse every timer he played on him


89 GF


LOL.. magnificent comeback SA Blue. Think he did just a little better in that game didn't he?


Did they win? :wink:

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SOS is my favourite Carlton player of all time but he's not even on Ablett's level. You can't compare a defender's job with what a forward has to go through. Ablett was double and triple teamed his whole career, SOS, Sexton and Dean were doing the ganging up. Punching the ball or marking the ball, it's no comparison.


SOS may not posses the talent of ablett, but he regularly pulled his pants down, one on one IIRC.

that was his job, and he did it to perfection. can't ask for more than that


I agree he did a great job but at the end of the day he was still a defender. He used to bend the rules to his advantage and many non Carlton people believe he cheated with his excessive holding and they would have a fair argument. There is a reason Carey rates Jackovich as the best he played on.
Saints supporters could claim Baker owns Judd, Pistons fans could claim Dumars owned Michael Jordan. They all have a case but at the end of the day they are all negating players.
Not only was he one of the best defenders ever he performed well up forward.Just have a look where Abletts hand is in the picture in the Herald Scum.SOS gave as good as he got(think Dunstall Lockett Carey).Apart from a pre season night game he never really took us apart and that was on opponents other than SOS as well.I agree with others that on sheer ability Ablett was the best but i always thought he beat up on the weaker sides eg Richmond.
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Punter22 wrote:
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i'm not rubbishing abblett, i've stuck up for him more than once in here.
he had so much talent it was a joke.

but he's way off the mark saying he had sos's measure.

and i stand by what i said about him not being a big game player. (except for when geelong lost the GF in 89)

he may have won 100 games off his own boot, but i don't remember any of them being finals


PLEASE tell me you are joking. Ablett's finals series in 89 was probably the greatest finals series by an individual player in history.

Yes, he got towelled up by SOS in 95, but do you people watch finals involving other teams? He was a monster in big games his whole career. Name me one player who didn't have an off day in at least one big match they played in.

The tunnel vision in this thread is staggering. We are talking about one of the top 3 players in the history of the game.


yep, i thought i said that in 89 he was great, not so great the rest of the time imo, that's all.

i'm blinkered, so what?

barry hall is the same, shit hot every game, except when it really counts

synbad beat me to it with the top three comment too :wink:


I was responding to your comment that Ablett had a poor finals record. :-D

As I mentioned - his 89 finals series was maybe the best ever by any player.

The bloke takes a stupid shot against SOS and all of a sudden according to this board he apparently wasn't much of a player :? . I know we are Carlton but let's get real - he's one of the greatest players to ever pull on a boot. Shame he couldn't be a tenth as good off the park as he was on it.


yeah, but we're not playing mastermind here punter :)

in my mind i'm in the outer barracking - he doesn't wear navy blue - therefore he is a mug :)

he was brilliant - no doubt about it.

BTW, would SOS's 95 finals series be the best ever by a defender? :wink:
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..what a load of bollocks, belittling SoS' ability purely cos "he was a defender".. ..the SoS played exceptionally well up forward as well (think goal/mark of the year, correct me if i'm wrong but he played a year at ff and topped our goalkicking didn't he [could be wrong here])..

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BTW, would SOS's 95 finals series be the best ever by a defender? :wink:


Jeez, it would have to be close wouldn't it??!! :lol:
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BTW, would SOS's 95 finals series be the best ever by a defender? :wink:


Jeez, it would have to be close wouldn't it??!! :lol:


can't think of any that have played right to the GF and only had one goal scored against them in the whole month. (and that one was a fluke)
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BTW, would SOS's 95 finals series be the best ever by a defender? :wink:


Jeez, it would have to be close wouldn't it??!! :lol:


..without bein' too clued into footy history pre-birth, in regards to defenders of my lifetime (so far) the SoS had easily the best finals yr '95.. ..quite possibly (for a football ground position), he might have had the best season in the 95' finals of any player (that played a finals series in the same posi)..

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