Sydney Blue wrote:
Why would anyone want to show leadership under this bloke Pagan. I cant beleive the joy some people have on this site writing about who will be cut and who will stay it makes you sick. Stating that Denis is doing a grand job cleaning out the overpaid players who are not showing him respect . What the hell has he done to deserve this respect lets see.
He recruited Martyn so he could play 300 - you have to respect him for that
He belittled Brett Ratten in front of spectators and media in Sydney - Gee that deserves respect.
He is one of the highest paid coaches in the league and the side is on the bottom despite turning over 31 players - you would respect him for that.
He ridicules the players week in week out by stating football is 90 % in the head and he has a bunch of headcases who dont get it - That deserves respect.
He plays favourites with players - Got to respect him for that.
Gee you can really see why Whitnal and Campo would want to show leadership you can really see why they would want to step up . I hope they both do go to another club and I hope that next time they come up against Pagan ( I wont say Carlton because this is not the Carlton I knew growing up) that they both play blinders and give the official up yours to all those supporters and Paganites that wanted them out.
This it's my way or the highway attitude that the club is adopting will end up leaving us dwelling at the bottom of the ladder for years to come
Leaders have loyalty. Loyalty is one of the hallmarks of a great leader. You look at Kernahan, you look at Voss, you look at Chris Grant, you look at players of that ilk. Players like that turn down offers from other clubs when they had every reason to leave.
Yes you are right here but they never sort offers from other clubs like Fevola is at the momentLoyalty extends itself to being loyal to the coach rather than being dissenting. Loyalty to the coach means aligning yourself with the rules and standards that the coach has laid down.
the coach has to earn the Loyalty firstWhy should I show you any respect Sydney Blue, when all you do is decide that just because Pagan's made a couple of mistakes, been hamstrung by lack of picks that he's incompetent? You are entitled to your view but you consistently refuse to acknowledge the problems Pagan has had since he arrived.
Theres been more than a couple of mistakesThe Carlton you grew up with disappeared after about 1997 when Kernahan left and was gone when Silvagni left. The Carlton you grew up with showed loyalty, showed determination, showed pride in the jumper, pride in the Navy Blue, pride in the TEAM performance.
Yes and you wont get that again while the coach has this divide and conquer attitudeAll it takes is for one or two key players to not toe the line and you have a sinking ship. The core of Carlton is rotten and it needs to be cleaned out.
Sydney, picture yourself as the CEO of a company where the employees are overpaid, there are a lot of new graduates but the senior management are underperforming and do not mentor the grads. Your senior management have no fire, no passion, are self-interested do not like the new CEO and want to just exploit the grads. Also, you are not allowed to recruit good new staff because the ACCC has said that you broke some rules. What are you going to do?
Picture yourself as being an employee of that company and they bring in a head kicker who brings along an old mate who takes the position you have been working for just so he can go out on full retirement benifitsNow picture yourself as a shareholer in this company? You know all about this. What would you do? Would you sack the new CEO even though he has a track record of success at another company? Or would you clean out the inept senior management first and put people with fresh ideas and talent in place?
Picture yourself as being a shareholder of a company who has watched half its long serving staff being sent off as being disloyal and then watch your shareholdings plummet to the depths of despair
Think about it, then think about at what stage Ratten, Allan, Beaumont, Murphy etc., were at in their careers and what their ages were.
Still no need to treat them like shit hte way Ratten was treated was disgracefulThe only reason why Camporeale and Whitnall are still there IMO are because their contracts were still in force at the end of 2003 and we had no choice because no other club would take them.
Have a good think about it. We haven't had a head kicker at Carlton in years. Sometimes each workplace needs one every now and then. Sometimes people get hurt, but sometimes for an organisation to move forward it has to happen.
We had a good Head kicker there for years didn't take shit off anyone. We have just gone from one who was the president to one who is the coach. Trust me I have been in Senoir Management myself for years and Head Kicking gets you no where. Incentives are always far more beneficial than threatsThe time has come at Carlton. It hurts. But whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
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