Ground Re-development: Carlton Football Club Foundation

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:01 pm

He plays the possie of Mr Moneybags... :wink:

camel · **Posted:** Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:04 pm

Synbad wrote:

He plays the possie of Mr Moneybags... :wink:

Uh oh ... last time you mentioned words like that things went very pear shaped. :lol:

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:09 pm

I know....

Look i reckon its important that the club has certainly got record membership numbers.. something KERMIT wasd doubting ...

....and also we have record crowds.!!!!!

Thats what the move was REALLY about,.. if the empahsis was taken by some as being about ONLY training facilities.. well thats just silly...

Thats only part of what the move meant.

KERMIT · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:33 am

Synbad I also have Medallion Club tickets so what's your point? As usual you are going the man and not the issue (or maybe you are just jealous that you are not an MCC member)? At least the MCC treat thier members with respect and not simply as a number.

Ask Terry wallace and most other clubs what they really think about having to play at TD each week? Great surface? More injuries?

I agree lets wait and see what is announced. I have written to Michael Malouf and asked him for clarification on this point. No response as yet but he has always responded in the past.

How do we know that memberships and crowds wouldn't have beeen higher had we not made the MCG our home instead of lame duck lands? You are not seriously trying to tell me the TD is a better overall facility than the MCG? Compare the crowd and atmosphere at Monday's game to what you get at TD.

If no funding from the AFL is forthcoming then we have been ripped big time.

ScottSaunders · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:55 am

camelboy wrote:

ThePrez wrote:

the board was elected - and they clearly arent performing and seeing as i am the Prez i may jsut do nominate for the board :wink:

and im seriously considering not getting a membership next year. like i said, not for the bad performances on the field, i would never not get a membership becuase of that, im talking about the overall effort the club has made from the lack of social club facilities at MCG to the fact that every single item that was promised/put forward to all of us to help "sway" our opinions has not and appears not to come to fruition.

The only thing that club has got right is the sponshorship - and that all lies squarley in the laps of the players - winning 10 games and then the wizzer cup was exactly what the club needed to get the sponsors on board.

and sorry - dont have a sense a humour about carlton playing shit, carlton board doing shit and most of all i dont have a sense of humour about our club getting shafted out of every single bargaining chip that "enticed" us from leaving OO and after the move we dont get a single F@%&#! thing.

The board's not performing? Right, so suggestions are that we'll make a healthy profit this year, memberships are up, sponsorship is up, among other things, but they're not perfomring. Sure there may be some questions that do or do not require answering re ground redevelopment, but that is just one aspect of the board's role. The article referenced in this thread clearly states the club will be making an announcement on July 31, but apparently they're doing nothing.

As for Collingwood looking to secure extra games at the MCG that we've been lead to believe was not possible, yep, I can understand your frustration. But explain to me how the board is responsible for the AFL changing its mind? Yep, maybe the board could have busted a gut to try and get us more games at the G. Do you know they didn't do everything possible? Or are you guessing at what you think happened in order to suit your agenda? To me it says the AFL are reactionary at best, a pack of arseholes at worst. But to you it says the board are incompetent and don't have Carlton's best interests at heart. I guess we're all entitled to our own opinions...

Sponsorship is in the lap of the players? Campo, Davies, Wiggins, Deluca, Fevola, Whitnall ... and all the other whipping boys on the list who apparently can't even play the game if you believe everything on this site ... these guys are solely responsible for the club securing sponsorships from K&S, Optus, Subaru and Dan Murphy's. Criticise the board by all means, but at least try and be credible. And just becasue you're not getting your own way doesn't mean the board is not performing. Have you directed any of this feedback and dissatisfaction of yours to the club (I know you have Malouf's email address) or are you just going to tear up your membership and feel good about yourself chucking a tantrum while not letting the club know why they have lost a member?

Don't post it ... do it. Tell the club what you think, not just us.

do you even believe that CB?

if we won 3 games last year, won 4 games the year before, lost the first wizzer cup game this year and then continued on like we have do you think sponsors would be jumping board purely because we moved?

And this hasnt nothing to do about getting my own way - i was happy to be proven wrong by everyone here and at TBV when we had this shit fight last year - yet just about everything that the "doubting thomas" i.e. me and a few others said will happened has and those that praised the club and the board and tried to sell us of the wonders of the move and all the benefits we would get from the club have got not a sceric of what we where suggested we would get.

This isnt even a "told you so" i was pissed off back then, and im more pissed off that it appears just about every single fear that i had about the move has come to fruition.

And thinking about it last night - i will always be a member - becuase i support the jumper and the players a love watching them run around on the park, but like someone else postes i too pay for my father to go, so for just under $800 i would like to see my board perform for the club i love.

And CB - you funny - you agree with me then present a different argument. pick a side and get off the fence :twisted:

camel · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:07 am

Where did I agree with you? Showing an understanding for a position is about putting myself in your thought process, god forbid, has nothing to do with agreeing on your point that the board is doing nothing or that it is shafting the club.

Nor did I say that winning games has nothing to do with helping to attract sponsors. What you posted made it sound like the players were in the board room doing all the negotiations and signing all the contracts. You don't really think that happened do you?

So, have you contacted the club with your concerns yet?

ScottSaunders · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:13 am

nope - i like to bitch and moan and have a tanty on here :wink:

strange enough as it may sound it would take me sometime to do it, as there are quit a few gripes i have at the moment.

but tell me are you happy with what has transpired since we left our Home Ground?

camel · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:20 am

ThePrez wrote:

nope - i like to bitch and moan and have a tanty on here :wink:

strange enough as it may sound it would take me sometime to do it, as there are quit a few gripes i have at the moment.

That's the biggest cop out I've ever heard. How is the club supposed to improve it's member relations if people have quite a few gripes, but just couldn't be shagged to let them know.

Just because you'd be giving them what you consider to be negative feedback doesn't mean it's not valuable feedback.

ThePrez wrote:

but tell me are you happy with what has transpired since we left our Home Ground?

I'm a bit miffed about the Collingwood scenario, but really I'm not surprised either. Where we differ is you lay the blame squarely at our board for this situation transpiring, assuming that they basically lied to the members in saying they tried everything to get more games at the G. Maybe I'm a fool, but at this stage I've no reason to doubt the board's intentions, so therefore I take them at their word.

ScottSaunders · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:29 am

camelboy wrote:

ThePrez wrote:

nope - i like to bitch and moan and have a tanty on here :wink:

strange enough as it may sound it would take me sometime to do it, as there are quit a few gripes i have at the moment.

That's the biggest cop out I've ever heard. How is the club supposed to improve it's member relations if people have quite a few gripes, but just couldn't be shagged to let them know.

Just because you'd be giving them what you consider to be negative feedback doesn't mean it's not valuable feedback.

ThePrez wrote:

but tell me are you happy with what has transpired since we left our Home Ground?

I'm a bit miffed about the Collingwood scenario, but really I'm not surprised either. Where we differ is you lay the blame squarely at our board for this situation transpiring, assuming that they basically lied to the members in saying they tried everything to get more games at the G. Maybe I'm a fool, but at this stage I've no reason to doubt the board's intentions, so therefore I take them at their word.

a quick summary of my gripes - but ive i ever sent a letter it would contain the reasons why i think they are shit

1. Membership and recieving them - never gotten a membership without it being a hassle.

2. Performance of the board regards to leaving OO

3. The clubs position inregards to the AFL and the way they handle us and our lack of response.

4. Lack of any real Social Club facilities anywhere.

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10628

Don't waste your time Kermit. Synbad bowls better than Warne in here and the "clan" follow without thinking.

Speedy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:26 pm **Posts:** 332

Facts:

1. The AFL will contribute to the re-development of OO. In none of teh publicity regarding the foundation has the club ever said it would not. The club will also receive funding from all 3 levels of government.

2. Like all other clubs who receive funding, from the AFL and government, Carlton will be expected to contribute significantly itself. This is what the foundation is all about. Raising Carltons share of the money needed. We will not be disadvantaged compared to anyone else.

camel · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:34 am

ThePrez wrote:

a quick summary of my gripes - but ive i ever sent a letter it would contain the reasons why i think they are shit

1. Membership and recieving them - never gotten a membership without it being a hassle.

2. Performance of the board regards to leaving OO

3. The clubs position inregards to the AFL and the way they handle us and our lack of response.

4. Lack of any real Social Club facilities anywhere.

See, that's pretty good. Spend a couple of minutes on that list and you could send it off. I reckon you'd get some answers too, you mightn't like them, maybe you will, I dunno, but you'll never know if you don't get in touch with them.

We're making progress.

KERMIT · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:34 am

Great to hear. But where do these facts come from? Will they be transparent for all to see? Hopefully, but somehow I doubt it. Commercial in confidence perhaps?

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18066

SurreyBlue wrote:

Don't waste your time Kermit. Synbad bowls better than Warne in here and the "clan" follow without thinking.

Poor form Surrey.
Dont assume or assert that those who disagree with you cannot think for themselves.

Who are the "clan"? Is that a name for anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint?
If that's the case you've just slagged off half the posters on TC with zero justification.

BlueWorld · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:28 pm **Posts:** 3768

KERMIT wrote:

How do we know that memberships and crowds wouldn't have beeen higher had we not made the MCG our home instead of lame duck lands? You are not seriously trying to tell me the TD is a better overall facility than the MCG? Compare the crowd and atmosphere at Monday's game to what you get at TD.

You think we would have got more than 37,000 on a cold Sat night at the G? Would have been a lot lower.

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

Speedy wrote:

Facts:

1. The AFL will contribute to the re-development of OO. In none of teh publicity regarding the foundation has the club ever said it would not. The club will also receive funding from all 3 levels of government.

2. Like all other clubs who receive funding, from the AFL and government, Carlton will be expected to contribute significantly itself. This is what the foundation is all about. Raising Carltons share of the money needed. We will not be disadvantaged compared to anyone else.

If those alleged facts are confirmed it is good news. Would be interesting to know what the split will be in terms of who pays how much of the bill.

camel · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:08 pm

KERMIT wrote:

Great to hear. But where do these facts come from? Will they be transparent for all to see? Hopefully, but somehow I doubt it. Commercial in confidence perhaps?

Clearly it appears as if your mind will never be changed, that you don't trust anyone, so I'm afraid nothing anyone can say will help you ... well, that's my interpretation of your post.

KERMIT · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:20 pm

Correct camelboy. I do not trust the AFL and I to a lesser degree our board and administration.

I repeat for the third time this post has nothing to do with whether or not we should have moved.

All I want to know is if the AFL is coughing up as promised, how much and what the deatils of the redevelopment are.

I also think that this should have been sorted out prior to any agreement to move being made to enhance our bargaining position. It seems strange that all other areas were agreed on and this remained up in the air. The truth, I suspect is that the club had absolutely no agreements, plans or council permits inplace and still put it in the info booklet as if it was a done deal. Why? Because it made the sell easier.

Therefore zero trust.

camel · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:49 pm

It is a plausible theory I guess. But, again, the article linked to earlier states comment will be made by the club on July 31. Not long to go now...

Headplant · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:43 pm

Hmm, I must be missing something, cos I see no mention, positive or negative, re AFL financial contributions in that article by Melissa Ryan.

I guess I just don't have the talent to read between her lines and come up with a conspiracy theory ... after all, it's not as if that article was presenting itself as the tell all for the OO redevelopment. :wink:

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