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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:18 pm 
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stubba wrote:
Laidler Bower Duigan

Russell Austin Yarran

Gibbs McLean Simpson

Garlett Henderson Lucas

Hampson Waite Kerr

Warnock Judd Murphy

Davies Ellard Armfield Twomey

Pace


Austin? Really?

Have not seen or heard of him for a long time. He would be the very last player on our list picked at this time. Twomey? No Betts?

Is that the team you think will run out round 1 or the team you would like to see?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:26 pm 
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Impoosible to say bec don't know if likes of Hendo, Garlett etc will be available

Fully fit though this is my team...

B Laidler, Jamison, Watson
HB Yarran, Bower, Russell
C Simpson, Gibbs, Murphy
FOLL Warnock, Judd, Carrazzo
HF Garlett, Henderson, Walker
F Betts, Kruezer, Waite

INT Houlihan, McLean, Scotland, Lucas

EMERG from Armfield, Duigan, Ellard, Joseph, Hampson, Davies, Kerr, Robinson, White, Collins

Robbo still lacks polish IMO but would love to have him in 22 bec of hardness
If Brock fails then either Robbo or Ellard come in for grunt, would love all 3 in though bec I think their collective hardness makes us a more competitive team

10 players as extras in addition to the 4 on the bench shows how much depth we now have


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:33 pm 
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TheSwan wrote:
stubba wrote:
Laidler Bower Duigan

Russell Austin Yarran

Gibbs McLean Simpson

Garlett Henderson Lucas

Hampson Waite Kerr

Warnock Judd Murphy

Davies Ellard Armfield Twomey

Pace


Austin? Really?

Have not seen or heard of him for a long time. He would be the very last player on our list picked at this time. Twomey? No Betts?

Is that the team you think will run out round 1 or the team you would like to see?


That is a really hard question given that I'm not anywhere near the inner sanctum of the MC. But yes it is ultimately my choice. I think we will (and need to) focus on pace and pressure this year which I saw in the NAB game against Collingwood.

Re Austin, my understanding is that he was training the house down until his small set back. Some observers, whose opinion I respect, were suggesting that he was a shoe-in. I think we have a problem in our backline, in terms of a big body, and I see Austin filling that role. I thought Kerr was extremely good in the NAB, much like he was in the 18s gf a couple of years ago. I see him getting a guernsey. I see Twomey as a sub. He had poise, a good reading of the game and good disposal in the NAB. Again some observers from the west are singing his praises.

Obviously there are only 22 spots available and many players laying claim to positions. No doubt my choices will change more as we play more trial games leading up to Rd 1 but at this point this is my suggestion.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:42 pm 
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It will be interesting.

I would love for the MC to pick as many newbies as they can but too many raw recruits might get a bit of stage fright.

Glad it's not me choosing the side.
All I know is that Duigan, Twomey, Laidler and a few others are a great improvement on Bentick, Browne (who I liked) , Johnson, Bentley and Anderson.

Well I hope so anyway. I seem to remember getting a little excited by Callum Chambers pre-season form once.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:08 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
It will be interesting.

I would love for the MC to pick as many newbies as they can but too many raw recruits might get a bit of stage fright.

Glad it's not me choosing the side.
All I know is that Duigan, Twomey, Laidler and a few others are a great improvement on Bentick, Browne (who I liked) , Johnson, Bentley and Anderson.

Well I hope so anyway. I seem to remember getting a little excited by Callum Chambers pre-season form once.


Agree with every bit.

We have come a long way, but for many, who had the Carlton arrogance and swagger, knocked out of them by the allmighty AFL and reduced to a subsistence economy, well they are scarred from those types of misgivings such as the calibre of recruits, including Callum Chabbers.

We are back!

The new recruits over the last 2 years ...you just can't falter our selections and LUCK for a change...having secured 2 first rounders for Fev, in Henderson and Lucas...pinch me.

ALL the new guys, including guys who are peripheral have also impressed us all, players like Kerr, Tuohy, McInnes, Cachia..they're on the radar now.

We have a good list but whilst it's deep with quality, it is shallow in terms of experience.

If you take out the 3 best quality oldies from the line up we lose, Scotland, Houlihan and Carrazzo, we know we can cover them with this list.

We don't have much experience after the next 3 oldest which happen to be Judd, Waite, Thornton, so the window imo is open right now.

I reckon if we picked on form and not name, we could field a team that can push for the GF this year.
I don't think the coach (and the supporters) know what they are dealing with.
We'll find out this year. Fingers crossed.

If we're playing for finals wins this year ( abd the coach sure is) then we are going to need as many senior players standing up and playing like every game is their last finals game ...that's for the first 22 games to get to the finals in first the first place.

It's a long season, and we'll have injury to our top 6 oldies so I'm glad we've exposed the kids to the Senior level in the NAB, because I'm sure glad I've seen them, and because we are going to need them at some stage.

Our peripheral players 2nd 22 are better than our first 22 between 2005-2008.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:14 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
I reckon if we picked on form and not name


I know this is not exactly the point of the thread, but here's the team I came up with based on current pre-season form:

Backs Laidler Jamison Duigan
Half Backs Yarran Bower Russell
Centres Simpson Scotland Lucas
Half Forwards Houlihan Waite Robinson
Forwards Betts White Walker
Followers Warnock Carrazzo Murphy

Interchange Hampson Ellard Curnow Kerr

Emergencies McLean Watson Armfield


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:46 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I reckon if we picked on form and not name


I know this is not exactly the point of the thread, but here's the team I came up with based on current pre-season form:

Backs Laidler Jamison Duigan
Half Backs Yarran Bower Russell
Centres Simpson Scotland Lucas
Half Forwards Houlihan Waite Robinson
Forwards Betts White Walker
Followers Warnock Carrazzo Murphy

Interchange Hampson Ellard Curnow Kerr

Emergencies McLean Watson Armfield



Gibbsy????

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:01 pm 
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What I would like to see develop as our next great side (inside two years)

B: Touhy McCarthy White
HB: Yarran Watson Laidler
C: Lucas Gibbs Simpson
HF: Garlett Henderson Walker
F: Waite Kruezer Ellard
Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Collins Russell Duigan Sub: Robinson

People are quick to write off Jamison, Betts and Bower.

Duigan and Ellard are less likely to be there than these three who are in our best 22.

Dylan Buckley would be a fair chance to be there instead of Ellard.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:14 am 
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Elusive Turtle wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I reckon if we picked on form and not name


I know this is not exactly the point of the thread, but here's the team I came up with based on current pre-season form:

Backs Laidler Jamison Duigan
Half Backs Yarran Bower Russell
Centres Simpson Scotland Lucas
Half Forwards Houlihan Waite Robinson
Forwards Betts White Walker
Followers Warnock Carrazzo Murphy

Interchange Hampson Ellard Curnow Kerr

Emergencies McLean Watson Armfield



Gibbsy????


Obviously he'll be in our real team along with Judd and a number of others. But on pure form alone, he hasn't shown much yet.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:23 am 
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i think people underrate jamo and ellard
when jamo went down - we went down
he doesnt have to be damaging - he is a negative player

i couldnt have more respect for scotland
gives 100% every week

and as for ellard
he has busted his ass to break into this team and i dont see any reason he shouldt stay there

im concerned with AJ - he would prob be first to go imo

i think bower will be a damaging player
playing the role maxwell does but better

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:05 am 
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Juddment Day wrote:
i think people underrate jamo and ellard
when jamo went down - we went down
he doesnt have to be damaging - he is a negative player

i couldnt have more respect for scotland
gives 100% every week

and as for ellard
he has busted his ass to break into this team and i dont see any reason he shouldt stay there

im concerned with AJ - he would prob be first to go imo

i think bower will be a damaging player
playing the role maxwell does but better


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:33 am 
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Stefchook wrote:
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Gibbsy????


Obviously he'll be in our real team along with Judd and a number of others. But on pure form alone, he hasn't shown much yet.


He's played a half of football for the year... In a mickey mouse competition no less.

Why not save the smug derision until the actual season starts.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:36 am 
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Juddment Day wrote:
i think people underrate jamo and ellard
when jamo went down - we went down
he doesnt have to be damaging - he is a negative player

i couldnt have more respect for scotland
gives 100% every week

and as for ellard
he has busted his ass to break into this team and i dont see any reason he shouldt stay there

im concerned with AJ - he would prob be first to go imo

i think bower will be a damaging player
playing the role maxwell does but better


Re: Scotland
He might give 100%, but his disposal, decision making and defensive pressure have really fallen away over the last 18 months. He played poorly in both finals. He will not be a premiership player. I think he is a back-up this year, and it will be his last.

Ellard is a very handy back-up player, and deserved his spot on the senior list, but his disposal is not good enough to be in our best 22, against the likes of Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, McLean, Lucas. I think AJ and Carrots are probably battling for the same tagging spot, but both of them would be ahead of Davey. I also suspect that Army might go through the midfield more this year, and his size and pace offer more flexibility.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:18 pm 
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I can't remember our list being this deep since late 90's, it's fantastic!

Every position has one or two players waiting in the wings ready to go. No better example then our ruck division.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:44 pm 
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TheSwan wrote:
I can't remember our list being this deep since late 90's, it's fantastic!

Every position has one or two players waiting in the wings ready to go. No better example then our ruck division.


There won't be much room for excuses this year if we don't perform beyond our achievements for the last two years

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:32 pm 
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The list certainly looks a lot stronger than this time last year.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:57 pm 
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Re: Scotland
He might give 100%, but his disposal, decision making and defensive pressure have really fallen away over the last 18 months. He played poorly in both finals. He will not be a premiership player. I think he is a back-up this year, and it will be his last.


Scotland is much better than you suggest Stamos.

Just my opinion, but I don't agree with anything you've written about Scotland other than this MAYBE his last. Maybe.

I do know he's at the end of a good career at Carlton, but he still offers good value for 2011.

He is a good kick, he is tough, good to see him playing in the midfield and he was not poor in both finals...imo

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:14 pm 
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Scotland is certainly tough. Nobody could doubt that. And he has certainly had a good career with us.
I think he used to be an excellent kick, but that this has fallen away quite a bit over the last year or two.

As to his value in the team, I see him competing for his spot against the likes of Lucas. As a team, I think we get a lot more value getting more experience into kids than we do by playing a guy who will not be a premiership player.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:57 pm 
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seanpb wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
Elusive Turtle wrote:


Gibbsy????


Obviously he'll be in our real team along with Judd and a number of others. But on pure form alone, he hasn't shown much yet.


He's played a half of football for the year... In a mickey mouse competition no less.

Why not save the smug derision until the actual season starts.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:18 pm 
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Armfield Jamo Russell
White Bower Yarran
Simmo Gibbs Lucas..............(love that centre line !!)
Walker Hendo Garlett
Betts Kreuzer Collins

Ruck: Warnock, Judd, Murphy
Inter: Watson, Waite, Houlihan
Emerg: Robinson, Curnow, Hampson

If they're all fit, I reckon that's our best team. Heaps of "depth" players inc Laidler, Duigan, Carrots, Ellard, Joseph, McLean(!), Davies (has a future). Left out Levi (too slow, can't kick)

Can't remember when we we had such depth. Guys like Setanta, Joseph, Thornton will really stuggle to get a game. We should be a definite top 4 chance surely ??


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