Do you forget Andrew Walker? He will be back in the side in a week or two? Bower will be the first to go. Thornton is on reserve. Hampson is starting to clunk marks and Waitey took 10.

Judd + Armfield vs Kennedy + Masten? How are you ever going to say who got the better deal. I would love to have all of them. All things considered though Judd's leadership is the plus that we received in the package. His leadership is bringing the rest of the team forward. Which club in the competition wouldn't love a maturing Murphy, Gibbs, Carrazzo, Simpson and Betts (and no they are not all No 1 picks)? No more Fevola antics. No more Angwin and Norman problems. Isn't it nice to just enjoy a team that is going places?

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We're a much better side when Waite is in the team....he competes; takes marks; runs and leads up; kicks goals; creates opportunities; and it takes a top defender to mind him.

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Maybe our 'unorthodox' forward structure low on contested marking power but high on speed and movement separates us from the rest. Our forwards are very difficult to fully matchup.

A Pro for me is reading this post from the Collingwood site (Nicks)....they're into Bucks already.

''I love the guy, but I have a little doubt in my mind, that Eddie's bigheadedness in ditching MM for Bucks could bring us down.

Regardless of injury, there were players out there tonight and so far this season who lacked the passion and committment of previous seasons.

Swan is definately off, Daisy has gone back to his hot/cold form of a few seasons ago and HarryO has turned into a spud.''

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I would keep Lucas, Curnow and Armfield all in our best 22 for the short and long term. They are what gave us great depth last night with our midfield rotations. Add these to Robinson, Carrazzo, Simpson and Scotland. They all have a role in taking pressure off Judd, Murphy and Gibbs so that they can do what they do best. So Bower out for Walker. Jamison will go to the backline.

Warnock is superfluous unless we have an injury. Kreuzer is our best ruckman and Hammer is coming along nicely. I love his clunks around the ground. We should trade Warnock at the end of the year to GWS for Coniglio and Shiel.

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A Con for me is that there is so much good material to read. Imagine a whole year of this. The internet wasn't really around in 1995. Thanks Warby.

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The most pleasing aspect was they actually played like a team.
I mean they didn't only run off to receive a disposal. They put thier bodies between the oppositon and the ball for the benefit of their team mates.
They shepherded.
They tapped they ball on to the team's advatage.
They even got cocky and tried the fancy things.

Judd does't get payed enough.
Kreuzer was brilliant in the ruck.
We proved we have the best mids in the comp.
Hendo and Gibbs were superb.
Betts and Garlett are pests.
Waite is indispensable.
Cannot doubt what he bring to our forward line.
Touhy is going to be a beauty.

Pros:

Great to cross out another bogey side. (Just need to beat Hawthorn now.) Loved the confidence levels. Clearly believed they'd win, rather than just hoping to win.
Got off to a great and accurate start.
Hammer's best game yet?
Lucas and Tuohy are really cementing their spots.
Army was terrific on Daisy.
Scotto's 3 smothers in the 2nd term.
Really liked the MC's experimentation, with Bower and Jamo both going forward at different times. Clearly even if Thornton doesn't get a game, they want others who can swing back and forward like him. Also liked how they were using Robbo as a marking target (even though he didn't quite manage to hold them).
Outstanding effort from Hendo on Cloke.
Carazzo again.
Cracking game from Robbo. Back to his desperate best.
And the usual (classy) suspects. Judd, Murphy, Kreuzer, etc.
Even got a few cheap free kick goals.

Cons:

Took a while to adjust to Collingwood's loose man in defence in the 2nd quarter.
Not a lot else.

Pro

Smashing collingwood by 10 goals.

Con

Not being able to watch the game as my partner and I were driving to Sydney to celebrate Greek Easter with her family. Oh and Xristos Anesti to all the Greeks out there!

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Haven't enjoyed a game more in some years, maybe even since the 99PF.

Beautiful balmy evening, packed house, smooth run with traffic on way in and into the MCG car park despite leaving work late, ice cold beer in a glass in the Members Bar on arrival, and a beautiful couple of hours of showcase football where the result was never in doubt. Even got out of the car park after the game in record time. (thanks Pies fans for ditching early!)

In addition to the usual suspects, Carrazzo, Tuohy, and Armfield in particular were absolutely sensational.

Just been looking at Wookie's YouTube clips (thank you) to relive the glory and prolong the weekends pleasure.

Although not our issue to deal with, I think Luke Ball's ACL is deserving of 'con' status.

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Don't want to get involved, but I'll post my thoughts anyway

Waite had a very good game. Don't get me wrong there. First game him, Kreuz and Jamo play together in two years and we flog a team is no coincidence.

Its still the same old Waite tricks that come up though that prevent him from being Buddy or Riewoldt levels of good though. No denying the potential and tools to do it. Clearly you're trying to get a rise out of me, or portray my comments as something they're not, but every game in memory from Waite in the past ten years shows him probably over-committing to the first tackle, and laying on the ground whilst the opponent runs on. Last night there were a couple of examples on show in the third quarter where he made a desperate lunge at a player, barrel rolled over the boundary, and watched as (I think it was Clarke?) strolled on out of the 50 under no pressure.

In his younger days, he was quick enough to make those tackles stick. Post knee injury, not even close.

Surely by now, someone would work with him on simplifying his approach to tackling. Get him watching some tapes of Kreuz and seeing how his second and third efforts are team lifting. If Waite was half as good in this area, he'd be one of the top 3 best forwards in the league.

Instead, I feel he tends to be content to cruise by on natural ability.

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Well said.

I like seeing him do well. Saints and Lyon treated him without the respect he deserved. Class act.

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Pro: Fantastic effort and win

Con: people spinning negative crap under the guise of being a realist

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One further pro: Juddy seamlessly weaving the word 'equanimity' into a post match interview. Had the pies fans scratching their heads.

Pretty sure that's just the fleas actually...

So many Pros but the biggest for me, hopefully one that will lead to bigger and better things, is the self belief. You can almost see it growing amongst the group right before our eyes.

Watch the players, closely, after the game.

Knowing that we belong in the elite bracket of teams. Not just wondering, not just hoping. We're there.

What we do know is totally up to us.

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Just finished watching the replay.

Damn that is 1 game for the ages. Stunning team performance. Every time a player was in trouble there was a team-mate in support. Their collective fitness must be measuring off the charts this year. Hat's off to Cordy and Co.

Carazzo is much better in tight in his new role rather than out wide. His instincts and use of the ball in and under was a joy to watch.

Judd is simply flying. Wow he is just in great nic and looks near on unstoppable at the moment.

Murph appears to be doing it all so easy it is just beautiful to watch. Never looks fatigued and is just running 6 inches off the ground for 4 quarters. He's playing at a whole different level to everyone else out there.

The rest are working their butts off and reaping the rewards.

No doubt the speed humps and hiccups will come but until then strap in and enjoy the F1 experience.

Regards Cazzesman

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What sort of supporter are you

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