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gee, when did this becoming TalkingSynbad?

it appears every time someone posts something that is not in agreement with synbad him and his cronnies jump up and down :roll:

where is agro and 7dom, they will be sure to join in soon :roll:
ThePrez... :lol:
Look ... all im saying is you really dont have a handle on them.. and thats your opinion... and my first post was to whoever said Tambling was a huge mistake.!!!!
Then you jumped in...
Then i went on the counter attack ...

then your feelings got all hurt again.

I can say i did say Tambling and Deledio play underage footy live (Both TAC and state carnival ..)can you???

as for hitting their straps???
Well Tambling has been injured alot more than Deledio.I would have gone for Deledio with pick #1 because he was a Carlton boy and a Victorian.
Now if they were both neutrals , id have gone Tambling... regardless of size.
BECAUSE HE IS AN UNBELIEVABLE FOOTBALLER....!!!!!!!

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Deledio is going to be very special indeed and I tend to agree with Prez, although others like Franklin/Tambling are quality, Deledio seems to be a notch above all and deservedly was pick 1.

But what do I know.


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my feelings arent hurt, takes abit more than an arguement to do that. It just get a little tiresome that when ever anyone argues with the great synbad (not having a shot at you either) that people seem to arc up about it.

like i said - knowing a few richmond people (people involved with the club) and from what ive seen they and i rate deledio higher.

you rate tambling higher - i dont and was just giving you another opinion.

but i do agree with you synbad - tambling certainly isnt going to be a mistake, just i rate deledio higher.

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ThePrez wrote:
gee, when did this becoming TalkingSynbad?

it appears every time someone posts something that is not in agreement with synbad him and his cronnies jump up and down :roll:

where is agro and 7dom, they will be sure to join in soon :roll:




Hello kettle meet pot….....


didnt know my opinion created such tension

Or are you saying synbad and I are alike?

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What Pagan has done since 2004 I'm happy with Camel, no problems there. Mikey has shown the benefits of the years since.

What annoys me is I don't like hearing statements like 'IF we picked kids with picks 70+ we had 5% chance of them playing 50 games' when the same odds or even slimer odds apply to recycled players playing 50 games.

To me there is more upside to a rookie than someone who has been delisted by another club or traded for a high pick. Longmuir and Chambers have again proved that theory correct.


I understand your point, but I don't think you can a) expect a side full of 18 year olds with a handfull of 28-30+ year olds to play every week, so there is a need for at least some more mature bodies that have a future ahead of them and b) that you can dismiss the theory altogether based on Longmuir and/or Chambers.

I certainly accept that in a perfect world recycling players is right doiwn the pecking order in terms of recruiting policy, however in the time that Pagan has been at the club he has been operating in a far from perfect world recruiting wise.

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I think mikkey's trying to say that you have your own "supporters" hehehehehehe

Surrey to name one :)

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It's just a criticism of your logic that says that pick 1 must be better than 4. I'm sure you realise the fallacy of this argument because it's not necessarily true.

Coughlan > Sporn - and Coughlan went lower than Sporn (25 vs. 11).


So why tank for picks then?

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ThePrez wrote:
mikkey wrote:
ThePrez wrote:
gee, when did this becoming TalkingSynbad?

it appears every time someone posts something that is not in agreement with synbad him and his cronnies jump up and down :roll:

where is agro and 7dom, they will be sure to join in soon :roll:




Hello kettle meet pot….....


didnt know my opinion created such tension

Or are you saying synbad and I are alike?



LOL - :lol: I have seen you both... hardly. However I was surprised you got miffed in the mentioned post as you are happy to post you oppinions and you can also be "robust" in your style (OK Sinners is the bigger bully.. and he loves that :wink: )


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CarltonClem wrote:
It's just a criticism of your logic that says that pick 1 must be better than 4. I'm sure you realise the fallacy of this argument because it's not necessarily true.

Coughlan > Sporn - and Coughlan went lower than Sporn (25 vs. 11).


So why tank for picks then?


cos you get TWO and the first pick in the psd....

and noone said Deledio was a dud.. my thinggy is Tambling was not a mistake. :P

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mikkey wrote:
ThePrez wrote:
mikkey wrote:
ThePrez wrote:
gee, when did this becoming TalkingSynbad?

it appears every time someone posts something that is not in agreement with synbad him and his cronnies jump up and down :roll:

where is agro and 7dom, they will be sure to join in soon :roll:




Hello kettle meet pot….....


didnt know my opinion created such tension

Or are you saying synbad and I are alike?



LOL - :lol: I have seen you both... hardly. However I was surprised you got miffed in the mentioned post as you are happy to post you oppinions and you can also be "robust" in your style (OK Sinners is the bigger bully.. and he loves that :wink: )


ahh - now i see where you are coming from - and yes i am more than happy to give you your opinion. :twisted:

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Synbad wrote:
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CarltonClem wrote:
It's just a criticism of your logic that says that pick 1 must be better than 4. I'm sure you realise the fallacy of this argument because it's not necessarily true.

Coughlan > Sporn - and Coughlan went lower than Sporn (25 vs. 11).


So why tank for picks then?


cos you get TWO and the first pick in the psd....

and noone said Deledio was a dud.. my thinggy is Tambling was not a mistake. :P


Synbad,

can you please tone it down a little. I said Tambling was a mistkae because Frankiln was available. I would have taken Frankiln before Tambling.
Tambling might be a good player in the future but in my opinion Franklin is a better prospect.

Then you start on about Whitnall when I posted some stats comparing Lucas/Hansen/ Whitnall.
According to you stats are meaningless.

I realise we are doing very poorly but please stop attacking every Carlton player/coach/assitant coacd/administration/former player/managers/bootstrapper at every opportunity.

Some posters here dont believe every single player on our list are a dud. We are all entitled to our opinions and dont need them to be justified to you constantly.


GET OVER YOURSELF!!


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On what basis from watching them did you get the indication that Franklin was going to be a better player than Tambling?
Can you name the game where you thought... "Wow!!!!... forget about that Tambling character, i want to draft Franklin!!!!"

Id love to know which game you saw that gave you that feeling... :D

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Nice to be able to debate over Deledio/Tambling and Franklin..all very good players. I think Franklin has been the surprise...Deledio/Tambling and Griffen were all expected to be players and were no brainers to an extent. " Buddy" didnt do much at the championships after being all the rage but for me has been every bit as good as Deledio and any of the others...Tambling has been injured so its probably a bit unfair to judge him until he gets a decent run of games...
Watched a bit of Brett Deledio and he has been good but I dont see him being in the Chris Judd, Luke Ball category..if Deledio is A grade then Judd and Ball are A+...they are the next level up in terms of talent...

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Synbad wrote:
On what basis from watching them did you get the indication that Franklin was going to be a better player than Tambling?
Can you name the game where you thought... "Wow!!!!... forget about that Tambling character, i want to draft Franklin!!!!"

Id love to know which game you saw that gave you that feeling... :D


The game against Essendon* for the Hawks was when I was most impressed. The pace and skills for a guy his size are incredible. Tambling burnt a guy off in the pre season (Burns?) and thats about all I see from him.
Deledio is all class so far.


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On what basis from watching them did you get the indication that Franklin was going to be a better player than Tambling?
Can you name the game where you thought... "Wow!!!!... forget about that Tambling character, i want to draft Franklin!!!!"

Id love to know which game you saw that gave you that feeling... :D


The game against Essendon* for the Hawks was when I was most impressed. The pace and skills for a guy his size are incredible. Tambling burnt a guy off in the pre season (Burns?) and thats about all I see from him.
Deledio is all class so far.
Yeah but what did you see prior to them being drafted im asking???

And dont forget Tambling has been injured.

also on your earlier post...

I dont bag the coach.. the administration or all the players.
I bag the senior players who are being paid well to play and lead...

... plus a few posters....!!!! :D

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It's just a criticism of your logic that says that pick 1 must be better than 4. I'm sure you realise the fallacy of this argument because it's not necessarily true.

Coughlan > Sporn - and Coughlan went lower than Sporn (25 vs. 11).


So why tank for picks then?


cos you get TWO and the first pick in the psd....



:lol:

Yeah but Clem says the order doesn't matter!

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CarltonClem wrote:
It's just a criticism of your logic that says that pick 1 must be better than 4. I'm sure you realise the fallacy of this argument because it's not necessarily true.

Coughlan > Sporn - and Coughlan went lower than Sporn (25 vs. 11).


So why tank for picks then?


cos you get TWO and the first pick in the psd....



:lol:

Yeah but Clem says the order doesn't matter!
Ok but if we got Franklin and Roughead
Or Tambling and Deledio...


instead of Russell it wouldnt matter....

Russell will be a good player... but he isnt an early pick .. standout.
So it does matter. From the top 5 to after them...

This year you need two picks in the top 4 to make it count.

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Synbad wrote:
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On what basis from watching them did you get the indication that Franklin was going to be a better player than Tambling?
Can you name the game where you thought... "Wow!!!!... forget about that Tambling character, i want to draft Franklin!!!!"

Id love to know which game you saw that gave you that feeling... :D


The game against Essendon* for the Hawks was when I was most impressed. The pace and skills for a guy his size are incredible. Tambling burnt a guy off in the pre season (Burns?) and thats about all I see from him.
Deledio is all class so far.
Yeah but what did you see prior to them being drafted im asking???

And dont forget Tambling has been injured.

also on your earlier post...

I dont bag the coach.. the administration or all the players.
I bag the senior players who are being paid well to play and lead...

... plus a few posters....!!!! :D


If you are referring to the U18s last year then I did not see any games. Was not even in the country. Just read a little about it on the internet while I was working overseas.
Went along to some games this year and have taken a keen interest in the draft as there is not much else to look forward to.
I would have taken Frankiln with pick 2. I preferred him to Roughead from what I read. Taller and more athletic. More scope for improvement.

Same for Clark this year over Dowler.

For the midfielders only Murphy has that standout ability that simply has to be picked. The rest Ellis, Hurn, Jones might end up as gun players but Murphy for me is a cant miss selection.

If we get Murphy I dont think the club can make a mistake with there second pick. It is all a bit of a lottery after that.


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Basing my assessment on games so far, Deledio and Franklin have been the standouts. In time Tambling may be on the same platform.


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Haha, I geddit, I was just winding you up Synbad. :lol:

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