I'd like to know how many goals Fev has kicked from a Houlihan pass.

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Are we able to get that stat PJ?

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Three years after I tell you lot this guy is as soft as butter and can't play football you finally come to realise it. Congratulations.

Please post a link to some footage of you backing back in to a pack CG.

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He needs to concentrate after the season on doing a lot of weights ,getting a trainer to toughen him up, as i feel he will be traded after next season. He is still young 23 or 24 with 100 games experience who gets the ball a lot, but it's time he does something about his weakness because it will be his downfall.

Denis wouldn't say anything bad on any player to the public, he would say some rubbish like the guy is still learning and young, who struggled a little this year but the run in the VFL will do him good and expect to see him back in the side.

I automatically assumed this was Blue World.

I agree with everything you say regarding Houla's skills. He's hit Fev with some ripper's this season. Watching the Ants a couple of weeks ago in windy conditions he hit Deluca with some superb passes.

At which point do those skills fail to make up for his attack on the ball in contested situation's though?

If a contender (where he could be an outside icing on the cake type player) came to us and said we want Ryan, what do you want? Would you be willing to pass up a decent pick/player?

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Denis is kind of a fan of Ryans.
He went to great lengths to keep him last time.

Im not sure what Ryans droppping means.

Tho if he stays here and isnt traded (unlikely to be traded).. Ryan will have to turn himself into a more consistent performer next year.

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Unlikley ??

It's a certainty !!

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Nah, it's a maybe. (I love the middle ground)

Ok .. tell us to what team.
You seem to know alot about whats going on.
Remember... every club has players like Ryan and we have the least amount of them.. so who would take him and give us something we need Shiek??

I hope i can get a straight answer. cos you sounded so certain.

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I agree with what you say Brad about attack on the footy etc but that wasn't what was in argument. Bluechucky was talking about how Houlihan's skills were apparently "overrated" so I was responding to that by saying that in my opinion it isn't true at all. I also said in my post that Houlihan's problem is his toughness and yes it is a significant problem but what I reckon is that people have perceptions of Houlihan as 'soft' and therefore sort of form biases against him based on one aspect of the player which clouds their view of other aspects of the player's game. If you understand what I mean...

I would trade Houlihan if we got a great deal but otherwise I'd keep him. I don't think he's invaluable to us but he is pretty handy with his skills. I've always considered Houlihan a similar case to Travis Johnstone, i.e. both have excellent skills but are perceived as 'soft'. But Travis Johnstone has gone forward this season and been pretty good and maybe Houlihan can do the same next season.

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At this stage, he'll be at Windy Hill next year.

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Saying he turns over the ball at times doesn't put him any further behind probably three quarters of the list ... including Mr Courageous Wiggins, the Great White Hope Walker and Our New Midfield Star Carazzo.

If he's played in the forward half where the occasional error isn't as crucial, his creativity can at least be used to create chances for our forwards. Not 50/50 contests but giving them real opportunities to outmark their opponents. Look to the Geelong game in the 2nd quarter (to Fevola) and even the last Bullants game (to De Luca) for proof of what he can do with his delivery into the forward 50. A player that takes risks to create and with the potential to find a leading forward ... I'd keep him - in front of Davies, Clarke, Johnson, Bowyer, McGrath, Bannister, Wiggins, Sporn.

PS Not trying to bag all of our players (espcially the younger ones like Walker and Carazz that have shown us glimpses) but the fact is most on our list have their pros and cons. Houlas is in the same boat but IMO his pros (100 game experience, general skill level, ability to carry the ball and his ability to find the ball) outweigh the cons (perceived softness - have a look at the hard ball get stats - and occasional skill errors - mostly on his left side).

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We definitely wanted him last year.

Not so sure now, personally I am in the market to offload one of surplus outside class - Yze, Bruce, Johnstone, Green.

But we do badly lack midfield pace and maybe he offers that.

Any interest in Bizzell <-> Houlihan?

Really he has never been a midfielder old55, has played his best footy on a HFF or back pocket. I think the dees have the personel, they just haven't delivered.

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I'll tell you what. We'll take some outside class of your hands, in Bruce, Green and Johnstone. And we'll give you some inside grunt to compensate, in Brett Johnston, Kouta and Luke Blackwell. You can even have Michael Stinear thrown in for free.

How's that for a deal?

I'll have Green, thanks.

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What bout Johnstone.?
I doudbt the Dees would give him up though. If they slipped up and decide to go for a houlihan-johnstone deal then I would take it in a second.

Anyone think Houlihan might fit in at St.Kilda?

Could be the finisher they need and wouldn't have to get his hands dirty due to the in and unders they have.

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