Sydney Blue wrote:
McKaysMistress wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Look MM in 2002 they got French and fisher in 2003 they got Walker and Stevens. If most side could get players of that quality in the draft they would be happy but your mate DP wants to use it as an excuse . None of the players on that list would make one bit of difference to how we play.
If you think that none of the players on that list would make one bit of difference to the way we play you are kidding yourself.
Not only that, but the future impact of not having them will be felt for a long long time. Because in a couple years time, when we are thereabouts, we are going to look back to those penalties, and think "if we had Wells, Moloney, Goddard (fill in any name you like here)", we could have pulled this off. But we won't have them and we won't have pulled it off.
If the AFL thought we would be in a position to challenge for the 8 within a couple years, they would have made the penalties even harsher. The penalties were designed to set us back several years - and that is what they have done.
Anyone who doesn't see that just simply doesn't get it.
But none of that matters to you Sydney because you have said it yourself that you blame Pagan because it's "easier" to do that than to blame anyone else. You also said Pagan should be held accountable for not finding a way to pick up Tambling and Deledio in the rookie draft last year - which really, is just laughable.
On the penalties I have also stated if you had allowed Elliot to defend the accusations that were levelled at him we may not be in this prediciment.
As for you other stupid comment didn't we select Raso last year because he was going top 5 this year- We could have done that with others and what would have been wrong with drafting Josh Drummond instead of allowing him to sit on Brisbane Rookie list for two years.
Anyway none of this matters who we could have got and who we couldn't the fact still remains that we have gone 15- 11 -16 under Pagan . does a supposed financially strapped club need to spend $800k a year for those results and the answer is no . He has proven that he has difficulty developing younger players and this shine through with Sporn Wiggins and Livo all top twenty players. He has limited success with Fevola and Houlihan but they are now worse than ever and should have been traded . Waite is now 22 and only just showing glimpses of what he is capable of Simpson and Bentick were playing for their footballing future and it is only a couple of months back people were calling for their heads.
The guy is a dud and we should get rid of him now.
What stupid comment is that SB? You think because we picked Raso up last year we should have been able to do that with Tambling and Deledio. There's this thing called a minimum age for the draft. Tambling and Deledio were never in a draft prior to last year because they were too young, so how could Pagan pick them up??? Was he meant to wave his wand and make it all happen. Don't accuse me of making stupid comments, I'm not the one who doesn't have an understanding of how the system works.
But seeing as you like to work in hindsight, I will tell you who was available the previous year. McQualter - that's right, McQualter was. And St Kilda picked him up in the first round I believe. But he was overlooked by 16 other clubs the year before. Even your precious Sydney and Adelaide, I know you find that hard to believe seeing as they are the the standard setters in drafting. And don't you think credit should be given where it's due for Carlton being the only team to learn from that and draft a young Raso this year.
And as for your statement about Waite. How long do you think it usually takes a guy of his size to make an impact in the AFL??? His development is right on track I would have thought. He is one of the shining lights this year - for a team with no leadership, it is amazing Waite has developed at all. And if Pagan hadn't arrived at the club, Jarrad Waite would not even be playing!!! Were you aware of that? That's right, your golden coach Brittain was going to delist him - he was too busy talking up the Cranage's, the Smith's, the Eccle's, the Doering's of the world - do you remember those guys????
And you think Pagan should be blamed for Livingston, Sporn and Wiggins development??? Are you kidding???? Are you watching the same players I'm watching??? As great as those guys are and try as they might, the questions should be asked of why they were drafted in the first place. You love working in hindsight - go look at the players that were drafted AFTER these guys. How the hell is that Pagan's fault?
And as for Simpson and Bentick - you are kidding yourself there as well. Simpson is in his third year in the AFL. If you think his development is slow you have no idea. And as for Bentick, he was a rookie - don't you think some credit needs to be given for us picking him up in the first place.
As for Fevola - you are kidding yourself if you think he is worse off now that he was when Pagan arrived.
The only one you have half right is Houla - but he was going to be delisted so anything we get out of him from this point on is a bonus.
You really have no idea whatsoever.