IMO a naive viewpoint. No leadership is a disaster, that could result in years of unrecoverable damage.

Yes, we may not have a Voss or Hird, but to lay the blame for the ills of our club on a few senior players, shows incredible lack of foresight (IMO). And some of the vitriolic comments aimed at Kouta and others which I've read on this forum, makes me shake my head in wonder.

I stick by my comment, there is a lot of naivity amongst some posters and that's being kind.

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yes, yes there is .. but youre entitled to your naive comments (being kind)

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Please explain...

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Thats you in that picture isnt it???... under your name???

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It's my son.

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oh good work but i thought it was you......
congrats...
would u like him to be led by a banana through life????

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Synbad, it's obviously a personal avatar so respect that.

Don't be an idiot Synny.

No need to get personal. We know you wear your heart on your sleeve but...no need to act like Brendan

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Teddy, Synbad's forgotten to use those emoticon thingies again...you know...the ones that make the post a little joke....
by the way, the pic is cute (and I don't go ga-ga over kiddies )


You are entitled to think my viewpoint is naive...maybe it is. But I don't really want no leadership (compared to what we have) I just want the club to find some leadership.

I think we are desperate for it.

They are interesting insights into the club, but I have to ask if it was written by Caro would the call be made for this coach to walk? Seems the alleged board member who may leak has to be accountable, but the coach hasn't been criticised.

Footyfans don't like the journo's when they are bringing bad news via leaks

With due respect Mrs Caz, but do you ever read my posts?

May I remind you...

Nah.... thats not a personal thing and not having a go at his son.
Like Teddys son is young... and needs a role model around.. we have a young group of players...

Now if our young group of players are being influenced by greedy players who dont wear their heart on their sleeve and are more interested in cash than the club.. is that what Teddy wants for his own kid???

Because thats weak leadership.. and if weak leadership is ok for Teddys kid than its ok for the Carlton Football club....

Of course if Teddy would like to leave his son around thieves and bludgers thats ok...

But if thats not what he wants for his son .. then why is it ok for our kids???

I thought by Teddys naive comments about leadership and lack thereof.. he was the picture....

But now i know its his young son.. and cut he is too...

But im sure Teddy wouldnt send it to the worst school in the land if he could help it.. hed sooner educate him himself???
But he is happy leaving Walker to Campo.....

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You know Synbad, Im in a very good mood tonight (as a result of the Swans beating St.Kilda) and I don't really feel like spoiling it. If you want to get personal that's your perogative, but you're embarrasing yourself.

Have a nice night.

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orangewhip, I have deleted your post, on the assumption that you thought you were being funny...due to the emoticon thingies...




Thanks malleefowl for the support...

but I'm not sure I get your point (it is late for me )





I was responding to 4th re: our differing opinions about leadership.

I agree that Kouta and Lance (to a lesser extent Campo, and excluding Lappo) have been our best players for the season. But I haven't seen much inspiring leadership from them.

That wasnt personal ...

You said people are naive for thinking blah blah blah....

and im telling you that youre naive cos blah blah blah...

the problekm with the club is it will suck itself and us into thinking were a couple of players away from being competitive.

I spoke to a guy on the MC not long ago who told me we are ONE midfielder and ONE defender away from being COMPETITIVE... if thats what they think and are thinking and will allow Lappin to go but keep Lance and Campo.. when all along they were saying those two wernt lifting their sox....

Look we are not one midfielder and one defender away from being competitive.. if theyre going to go up the road of kidding themselves and costing us more pain..... because they have NO CLUE on how to rebuild a SHITHOUSE club.. and i have to listen to a dude like you telling me im naive cos of my *club has no leadership comments then we deserve every bit of a decade at the bottom for being FOOLS!!!!!


Nothing personal to you or your son Teddy.....

But like i said youd hate your son going to the school that has Lance and Campo/ Kouta as the role models....

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Mrs Caz is probably inspired by fire and brimestone

But,

You can't assume protection of those on the basis you know them better than others.

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No, more chocolates and champagne

Is that an apology?

What I thought you were implying was that you hadn't seen any positive response to the leadership that Kouta, Lance and Campo were displaying. While not admitting that they are the best leaders around there is a quiet minority of Carlton supporters that believe that they are doing quite well despite playing for a club with the worst list in the competition.

So what is leadership? This is too big a topic for this late in the night. However, I believe that one part of leadership is simply performance on the field. If Kouta, Lance and Campo are still our best players then to my mind they are showing leadership.

Sure leadership is also mentoring the younger players, commanding respect from their team-mates and opposition, doing all of the hard things on the field and showing the other players what needs to be done to make our side great. However, let's face it they can't do everything and it is time that some of our other players step up to take on leadership positions.

Why is Fevola not a leader after 7 years at the club? Perhaps he is temperamental. Why is Houla not a leader after 6 years at the club? Perhaps he is soft. Why isn't Prenda a regular in our side after 7 years at the club? Why isn't Livo, Sporn and Wiggo regulars in our side after 5 years at the club?

These six players have been at our club for long enough and all are disappointing. In fact Fev was the only one this year to be a top 10 player at number 10. This is poor, poor, poor!! And don't anyone blame Kouta, Lance and Campo for the performance of these six players. They are big enough and ugly enough to look after themselves.

Heaven help us if we lose Kouta, Lance, Campo and Lappin this year or next and are left with Fev, Houla, Prenda, Livo, Sporn and Wiggo as our leaders...