2 years is a long time for the MTV generation no wonder people are calling for the captaincy to be changed weekly.

well his was the only midfielder to have the balls to get a clearance or two.
Ask Nick, he was usually watching him

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Hopefully Waite will raise the bar another notch or two next year and make the decision easy for the club.

Would love to see him as captain, I have no solid theory's for it ( )just reckon it would be good for the team, and I reckon the captaincy would drive him to greater heights as a player as well. It will be his excalibur!

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Lance Whitnal should be our Captain.

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And we should retain Camporeale as our Vice Captain.

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I'm hopeful about Waite but for some reason he still feels like a bloke who is way too young and just doesn't know the ropes yet....

Stevens...I just see a load of nothingness....there are times when he really radiates blueness but other times where he just forgets and reverts back to nothingness.

If Scotland had a bit more talent I'd choose him in a heartbeat.

Thornton? If he was at the helm I would be a bit dissapointed....He's not good enough and he doesn't show much emotion unless his player marks and goals.

Barnaby or Lance for me. They both have a lot to say out on the ground and they both like to celebrate and show their support for the youngens.

Anyway I'm with bnz when he says: I'm just a fanatic blue blooded supporter so what would I know.

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Congratulations Kouta - a true champion in every sense of the word.

He has the utmost respect of the coaching staff and playing group. To remodel his game in the face of so many debilitating injuries and still contribute in a truly woeful team, is a credit to his character. It's a pity some of the other members of our so-called leadership group haven't taken his example.

I know he's been very, very well paid but at the time there was no more destructive player in the comp.

Looking forward to Kouta having another diappointing year averaging 20 possessions and 10 clearances a game , calls for him to be replaced as captain by players who have been at the club for about 5 minutes or better yet, lets give it to someone who's played less than 50 games and not proven at the highest level .

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I think it's fair to say it's a difficult situation.

Kouta's a great player but as a captain has been about as inspirational as something not very inspirational.

Stevens could be okay but doesn't "radiate blueness" and isn't genuinely inspirational from where I'm sitting. He'd be a choice based more on a lack of better options than an inspired decision. Looks like a stop-gap to me.

Lance - now that's funny... Why would you make a guy who's been at loggerheads with the club over salary and fitness issues for some years your captain?

Thornton will make a great VC or DVC at some point but loses it too often to be the captain of the club for mine and is under enough pressure down back as it is.

Waite's the obvious choice at this stage but not yet. Everybody loves him, the nature of his style of play means he can play the sort of role that inspires those around him (when he does it more regularly) and he's Carlton from conception (thank-you Vin).

Problem is the club's right not to go that way at this stage. He's still finding his feet but if in 2006 he turns it on regularly then I'd love to see some faith placed in him and set the club on a course for a long term under one leader.

Keeping Kouta on for one more season as captain is probably the right decision at this stage. If you appoint Stevens and then Waite stamps his mark on the football world in 2006 you can hardly take it away from Stevens even though it may have become apparent he's only keeping the seat warm for Waite.

If Waite does take the next step in 2006 then it should be his in 2007. If not then Stevens will make a good temporary captain for a while until someone else puts their hand up.

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Hate to drag up the Hot Dog and Dim Sim jokes, but apparently weight is currently a big issue with Lance.

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I do agree with you and was thinking time at the club (Stevens) and age/experience (Waite) were holding back a couple of the candidate's...then I remembered us giving the captaincy to a 2nd year player at 24 years of age and he wound up being the greatest captain in AFL history.

However, I dont think either of them have the exceptional leadership skills of Kernahan and it needs to be a special player to do what he did.

Stick with Kouta until there is someone who clearly deserves to be captain.

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What do you want Blues2005?
He gave an opinion.
As for downplaying Koutas B&F win , I'm sure Kouta would admit a B&F in a successful team and year is far harder to achieve than one in this team.

As for Stevens, I'm not pushing for him but it wouldnt concern me if he was made captain.
For starters he trains every session where Kouta and Lance dont.
At crucial times this year and last, he addressed the players more than any other leaders indicating a willingness to bond and inspire.
He represents the club off the field (see CFC recent article).
He is a ballwinner and runs harder defensively than any of our nominated leaders.

I'd be happy to see Kouta retain the job but I'd be rapt for Stevo as well.

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Sorry if my education is preventing me from giving you an answer, Blues2006.

I feel that we have yet to see the best of Stevens both at Carlton and Port Adelaide. He isn't in the right environment where he can be played to his strengths and become a huge asset to the side. I also believe that since we are entering a new era in the club's history, we should be looking at someone who is going to be around for at least the next 8 years. Stevens also brings experience in a successful side to the table and would be somewhat beneficial to our younger blokes in regards to the pressure cooker of finals.

Not sure what else I can add without repeating what has already been said.

Hope this suffices your ever growing hunger for answers, Blues2006.

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Oh I love you pair always quick to jump in a give it to Lance. He is the only guy in the team that shows on field leadership. Just because he is fat doesn't mean he cant be a leader. On the subject of pay disputes I wonder what the situation would have been with Kouta if he had come off contract in the last couuple of years . You two would have got your Jollies over that arguement wouldn't you . Negotiating a contract doesn't always mean that you have issues with the club you are playing for . You two should learn to seperate incomes and look at playing ability and the ability of the players to show leadership.

Lance would be our best option outside Kouta to captain the team. No one else comes close as yet maybe a a few years time someone might step up.

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Lance Whitnall would make a very good captain and the additional responsibility will sit well with him. I think he has "captaincy" written all over him but I don't think others who make the decisions agree.

Kouta wants to play on in 2007. Yeah sure but how much does he want to be paid?

Just speculating but would $500,000 be the minimum given he's averaged around $800,000 for the last 5 years?

Fair enough.

I was only 'hungry' for answers because originally you just trotted out general arguments for the captaincy that could apply to the vast majority of players across all footy clubs.

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I'd engage in further debate Sydney but based on your effort last time...

http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5644&start=30

...I kind of figure why waste an afternoon when you're only going to disappear from the site for a week after your argument's exposed.

Sorry - you'll have to play with the other kids this time.

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Give me an alternative to Kouta then . Your so high and mighty and know all the answers Mr List man. You trotted out Waite who is not ready and suggested Stevens this is despite nearly all Carlton captains of recent era have been one club players ( Kernahan - Bradley Mckay- Ratten -Kouta) I'm sure you wish Denis could draft in another recycle from another club that i 'm sure you would support. Like hell we dont want Carlton players playing for Carlton do we their all fat cats and money hungry and are sucking the life out of the club. Get rid of them all they dont agree with Denis.

By the way I do get busy you know and haven't got all day to talk on this site especially with people who only choose to criticise past players and past adminstrations when the encumbants have done nothing to warrant praise.

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If you re-read my post Sydney you'll see that I thought Kouta was probably the correct choice for next year based on the fact that there isn't anyone else currently worthy.



Here you go again putting words into other people's mouths. One moment I'm supposed to be saying the Swans are crap and now I'm supposed to be supporting bringing in more recycled players.

You're really going to have to get smarter Sydney. Bluff and bluster sometimes wins the day but when it's as easy as it is in here for people to check what's been written/said previously you really must stop making things up to support your very thin arguments.

You're not soulfly are you? Strangely similar modus operandi...

Just a thought.

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