So De Lutis would have saved us? I want to smoke what you are smoking. My wife has had business dealings with him - he is a dill.....

I mentioned this on another thread, but what hasn't been mentioned here is that Jack also admitted today in that interview, that he held long discussions through out 1995 with Andrew Plympton, to merge the blues with the saints. He added that it fell through after we won the flag as Plympton didn't believe his supporters would see it as a merger, rather a take over. He then admitted to trying again in 1999 with Ron Casey. Again it fell through because we both played off for the flag and Casey believed any merger would not be supported by the other 14 clubs as the combined side would have been seen to be too strong a force.

So, it's the first I've heard Jack actually admit to it. In public anyawy. So, now that it's in the public domain, what do people think? Why was he shopping us around if as he has said, time and time again, the club was soundly managed with strong leadership, a sound business plan and sound finances? I'd like to hear from the Jack supporters on this one.

It's interesting but how would that have gone down with the members back then? Espeially after a flag. And I can only assume that you are willing to sell your soul to the devil and jump into a merger, for one thing only - CASH. From memory, weren't the AFL at the time, offering financial incentives to clubs that merged? And remember this is going back 11 years. Who else did he hold talks with and for what reasons?

May be we should go back to North now with a renewed offer...............so I wouldn't worry about the public disgrace accepting a handout will have on our image. We, at one stage, were set to merge with anyone who would have us. Jack couldn't even pull that one off.

And on a lighter note, didn't James Braddock accept a welfare handout only to pay it back later and become the heavy weight champion of the world? There's no disgrace in surviving. You do what you have to do.

DeLutis????

He would look silly on that Sammy Newman street talk.

Make my bed now i have to lay on it???
Delutis was one of those that made my bed and now i have to lie on it.

You know the Game???
All this silly stuff youve talked yourself into... its like the armless man telling himself hes going to give himself a wank...

Delutis couldnt handle a small crowd.. how the hell is he going to handle 30,000 members.. and 300,000 supporters Australia wide???

Delutis still gives to the club..he is still around the club... he can put his hand up and win an election ... just like anybody else.

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Oh!!.... and the Game....????
You know how your logic is Elliot and Delutis are good and Collo and Pagan are a catastrophy????

Well Elliot and Delutis brokered Pagan (in fact DeLutis had a huge role in it).. to come to Carlton...


So which side is your toast buttered on The Game???

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Calling all the members ferals was never going to endear him to anyone!

In the face if all adversity... the club needs someone to rise and show some leadership.. and DeLutis cones up with that masterstroke...
The Game thought he was sharp though....

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I know it was a bad move, an even worse move was re-signing him a year early after winning some practice games.

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That was a pretty feral place to be at the time.

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Just on Preachers point...

Big Jack was re-enacting the classic 1980's corporate manouvre Growth for Growths sake,regardless of long-term benefits, particularly when your own growth/cash flow is limited.

Trouble with Elliott was that he never moved out of the 80,s and away from the Mckinsey model!

Thats the armless wanker logic again The Game....

Please get fair dinkum or its into the surrey group with you too...

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I wasn't happy with what happened to Britts and was cursing when Elliott signed Pagan, especially when the guy I go to the footy with told me he was coming to Carlton over a year earlier.

How can we beg for money when we are paying a coach that much?

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I dont know the Game... you better ask Eliott and DeLutis... they organised it.(just for their own selfish means)
As a matter of fact Pagan took a cut under Collo...

Im not sure that Pagan is the man for the job at the moment either...

I dont think there are many around the club that are the right person for the job and thats why were last on and off the field.

But were coming from a long way back.
Bad list.
Bad finances.

it just didnt appear over the last 3 years...

But i think im speaking for most people when i say... we dont appear to be going anywhere in a hurry... on or off..

And i think its because we have yesterdays people.. trying to run a club thats in another world as far as the comp is concerned.

And its a legacy of succeess..

people used to success dont understand how to start something from scratch... cos they have never had to do it...!!!
Just like our supporters are too proud to do this or to proud to do that...

You do what it takes!!!

thats all!!!

if that means early picks you do it.. if it means asking for a mill u do it...

Or your just stuck in a hole youre too proud to get out of..

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Early picks: check (1, 4 & 9 in the last two years)

Financial assistance: check

Looks like we're heading forward to me.

The thing that worries me about the Collo administration is that unlike most other clubs we don't seem to be able to attract any kind of serious corporate sponsorship, the life blood of every club in the AFL. Yet again we'll be going into a season as the only club without a ball sponsor, yet again we're unable to attract any big names players to come to the club, and now they can't even manage to scrounge up sponsorship for one of the highest profile coaches in the league in Denis Pagan. By the looks of things Collo and co could end up seen as the most incompetent board in the history of the Carlton Football Club.

Time for a chance... I just wish there was a viable alternative.

and were finally going the road we could have chosen to go t2 years ago and not wasted time...


but id also like to see innovations verbs....
something that makes my club look like its on the right track...

a plan perhaps???....


not just something we stumbled into ....

thats the problem .. no plan and alot of stumbling into things 2 or 3 years later...

getting back to winning... how did winning 10 games benefit us for next year????

that was a semi winning culture wasnt it????


you cant turn shit into strawberry jam...!!!!

and the shit on the shelves dont sell!!!!...


and how many ways are there to bring strawberry jam into the club????

winning the odd few games would never help membership....!!!!

Finding the next 10 champiosn to win our 17th membership would,,,!!!

Thats all there is.. there isnt anymore....

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You can't turn back time.

We won ten games by outscoring the opposition ten times. A few of them were off the boot of Fev. The one in Adelaide springs to mind. What a kick! Under so much pressure! That was one of the most exciting moments of 2004.

I also loved beating the Dons in the wet. That was a sweet sweet victory.

I think its a matter of perception - you need to be seen as sucessful or heading for sucess to attract major sponsor. The carlton of old was always percieved to be successful even though the truth be know we were probably scracthing and scraping for cash like everyone else.

The problem with the current board they are like the boards of the old footscray and fitzroy - everything is doom and gloom we are struggliing fellers dig deep and help.
No corporate figure with half a brain wants to be associated with that. They want to see progress confidence and good vibe around the place. This is what will bring in money and the sponsors dollars. Talk the place up . We're going places - things are lookingf good- what about Murph hey

What most have been eluding to is that Collins is miserable prick- He looks miserable - acts miserable is miserly in his ways and corporate sponsors dont want to be associated with boring miserable prick . who paints a pitcure of doom and gloom all the time. ("were all a bunch of z grader") "Stick with us we are ini t for the long haul" "things are pretty crook"

Elliott for all his faults always painted a good pitcure and that is what is needed at the moment

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Yep best way out of this mire we have been in is to start showing success and then supporters / sponsers will be more willing to back the club.

But as they always say the wheel turns

too 100 years to turn bad hopefully its only a few years before it goes good again

And if we could if Collo was a temp measure someone needs to lure Fitzy to be the Blues Elpresidente well we can only hope anyway lol

Some supporters will be more willing to back the club...others will bitch and moan about it costing us draft position.

After winning 10 games our membership was strong and we attracted new sponsors, after winning 4.5 games membership looks poor and we're struggling to find sponsors.

But hopefully we only win 3 games this year.

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But Brad???

If wwe win 3 games this year... and make no mistake we wont win many more.. its because we won those ten games that year...

And no the sponsors didnt jump on board then and jump off now...
Dan Murphys was tossed to us by Mathieson who i believe is the right man for the presidency but doesnt want it.

Sponsors dont jump on board because you won 10 games ... and youre middle of the road...

They jump on boatd when you can sell them a plan....!!!

If you can sell them a plan of where you will be in 3 or 4 years they will jump on board for 3 or 4 years.

If there is nothing obvious about where the club is heading with a shit list and a shithouse media presence they wont.

Take richmond for example,..since the wooden spoon theyre in the paper with positive stories every second day.
Hawthorn is another...

Nothing to do with how many games but the vibe of the place.,

The vibe we have is nothing is happening... !!!

while im optimistic aboout our list in 3 years.. thank goodness the forces of nature will look after that...

Im not as optimistic off the field.

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