Hawthorn: Everitt, Crawford, Mitchell, Hodge, Williams, Croad.

That's 6 from a weak side who are better than Waite at this point.

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verbs ..good try but youre in a different league....

Waite is exactly what i reckon most of our kids are.. potential but have not had the edge extracted from them .. and if anything they have just flatlined.. or gone backwards after reaching a point in their development.

This isnt a go at Waite or Sporn.. or T Bird.. its a valid and very salient question that needs to be addressed.

To close your eyes to it is murder!!!

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But comparing Hodge or Crawford or Cousins or Everitt to Waite is the height of stupidity.

For a start they aren't even the same age, and at completely differnt levels of development. Waite can't change his age, height or weight.

And then, they aren't even the same sort of player as Waite.

Fine, apples and oranges are both fruit.

What good would it be to have 22 Cousins running around for the Blues? To say every other team has five better players than Waite is one thing, but then you've gone and blown it.

That's why there needs to be a criteria, not some sweeping statement which has had no thought put into it.

To say Waite has flatlined is competely ignoring his development last year.

Sorry I thought you scoffed at Synbad when he said Waite isn't in the comps best 100. So you agree he is not.

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What verbs is saying if you get rid off a couple of hundred players and you dont include them Waite is in the top 100 players in the league....

In actual fact verbs... how much younger is Waite from Dal Santo McGuire Kosi Ball and Riewoldt...???

Wanna look those up???

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Based on what? Last year's 22 year old 194cm players?

It's impossible to compare apples with oranges with pears with peaches, other than the fact they're all fruit.

To try so is futile.

So what you meant is Waite is in the top 100 194 cm players...

Ok. thanks for clearing that up...

your bike only goes backwards doesnt it?

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You still haven't come up with a criteria.

Waite is a much better mark than Crawford and Hodge. Kicked more goals than all bar Williams. Is younger than Crawford, Everitt and Croad.

So Williams rates ahead of Waite all up.

Hodge is a better rover than Waite, but....so what? Waite's not a rover.

All it takes is a little thought,

My cretia is on match day he is less effectve than all of those players over the course of a year.. so far.,

Is that criteria enough for you???

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Jimmae you really have no idea do you.
Don't be calling me a troll. This is my opinion and if you don't like it, don't read it.
I can't be that wrong because our results speak for themselves.
If you think our kids and list is that great why did we finish bottom and
why are we going to finish bottom again?
This is reality!!!

"So far"?

As in since 1993 (the year Crawford and Everitt first played)?

Or all those players mentioned in their first 50 games?

Or before they were 23?

Or 2005?

What would make Waite more effective on matchday than Hodge or Crawford? Or Everitt? Considering he's not a short player, nor a ruckman?

If the criteria is marking then Whitnall, Fisher, Fevola, Lappin and even O'Hailpin would have him covered.
He is a super talent but this has to be his year. He is of the same age this year as Kouta was in 95.

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But verbs..... Waite has little impact in most games he plays....

Its simple...

He is not tagged... he is not feared... he doesnt change the course of many games.

In fact all he does is do ok sometimes.

If youre happy with Waite remaining as he is .. than good luck to you...

But all those players are more the finished article than Waite...

And tell me the ages of those 5 StKilda players.

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whatabout his kicking?

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Don't know I close my eyes.

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Waite shits all over the Hawthorn players bar Williams. His development was by and afar better than anyone's on their list, and if it continues at the same rate he will be even more awesome.

A brilliant 36 goals as not even a key forward. That's pretty good kicking. Better than Hodge and Crawford and Everitt -- EASY.

He's an excellent mark, better than Hodge and Crawford by a mile.

Waite: 23

Reiwoldt and Kosi: 23
Dalsanto: 22
Ball: 22 in May

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McGuire 21.

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Match up Dal Santo or Ball in the goal square on Waite any day please.

I dunno. Just to pluck some "criteria" out of the air or something, let's choose LAPPIN!

Um, in 12 years Lappin has topped Waite's total marks for 2005.......ONCE!