Fair enough then, you obviously have more of an idea than me.

Kouta is bitching to Dirty Dave who is bitching about Collo and the supporters bitching abut his contract. ....

Kouta has bled us dry.

Surrey if you do a search im not sure it was in TC or TBV i SAY that we tried to get Kouta to take a pay cut because he will be over 1 million dollars this year.

And NO!!! YOU HAVE NO CLUE.. your whole life is just a fairytale...

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EVERYBODY does... !!!

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There is a salary cap that Carlton must pay. How it distributes payments to players has no effect on the clubs finances. Hence Kouta bleeding club dry is balony.
Had Kouta signed for 700k we would have kept Hamill and we'd still be up sh!t creek.

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I can see where this is going again.

You really don't get enough do you Synbad? Poor frustrated, bitter, twisted old man.

Bye......but in the mean time, have fun talking shit and trying to make the troupes believe bullyboy, cause that is what you do right?

I wa'nt the one making what was being sold as a statement of fact...

"He is on 1mill (not over as you like to exagerate)"

I'll ask again,source!

I thought when Collo took over he asked all the senoir players to take a pay cut > I'm not sure who did and who didn't but I know Kouta agreed to have his salary reduced for some years to have it paid at the back end of his contract. This was organised by Collo himself.


Regardless of how much he is getting paid now Allison has a point Kouta owes nothing - Kouta has changed our game and wether Collo likes it or not it's the truth

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Changing the time frame of the payment is not the same as taking a paycut!..Certainly not to the man in the street..

OK you can argue about the time value of money,but who is to say that was'nt covered in the new agreement..

Bottom line is that is stated that he accepted cuts.....But did he?...and how significant were they?

Kouta and players took a pay defferment. In fact Kouta has added another year to his contract to make it more managable.. but he has lost no money and gained abit.

He wants to do this again.. i reckon whatever he is on.. pay it fully and he can piss off!!!...

What theyre trying to do is say hes on 1.1 mill???

they will give us space by taking 700k this year.. and another 700k next year..

or whatever...

The club should pay him and show them both the door.

Yes Sydney he USED TO BE A MATCHWINNER.. now he is a liability on and off the field and has been for a long long time...

Simple as that!!!

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I know that -but I thought that when they did this that Kouta and others actually took a cut and Kouta was then also asked to defer more to the end .

He may not have taken the cut - I am not sure

I am certain someone will be able to come up with the exact goings on from back then

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He won the best and fairest Synbad. He had a better year last year than similar aged champions Hird, Voss and Buckley.
The only people that see him as a liability Synbad are yourself and your lemmings that follow you.

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That is a really BF type response The Game, the use of Lemmings is pretty ordinary!..I think we have all had a gutful of that term on the sites!

If you can call our best player a liability well thats your opinion and I wont argue he is not as good as he was.

What I am saying is their are a lot of Footballers who owe their living to Kouta as the type of footballer recruited has changed.

You could also argue that because the type of footballer has changed that more and more people are going to the games and record revenue is generated from it . But that is a very long bow to draw.

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The Game.... "lemming".... thats a Big Footy word.. maybe where you belong???

Best and Fairest??
Lets take a look at our last few best and fairests....Corey McKErnan... David Teague.. this year it might even be Dylan McLaren.... but none are worth 1 million plus The Game.. and i when i want something valid from you ill ask you about whats going on in the wrestling world not the footy world...!!!.. for example you can help me with -Why did i see a man pulling down his dacks and forcing another man to kiss it last week???

What was that all about The Game.. you can help me with stuff like that...

When you talk about a mans worth a million dollars cos he won our wooden spoon clubs BnF.. (personally i think Carazzo was dudded)... youre in lala land...

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A lot of footballers than Denis Pagan for a premiership medallion too... but so what????

Its what youre providing on the field that counts...!!!

All he does is the Cliffy Young shuffle around the centre square and does FA defensively which makes others cover his man and its the old domino theory...

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see I find this interesting - Kouta is sacrosanct because he was a great footballer, so pay him. Owes all to himself

Pagan is a money hungry arsehole who can no longer coach. Owes it all to carey.

Goose and gander stuff really.

Fact is both were able to get huge contracts because both had done great things and in both instances carlton were desperate.

I loved kouta once, but for two years i have just wished he would retire.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Synbad thats now not back then. It is not his fault the club asked him to back end his contract.

Look if you went to a park with a recruiting manager these days and on one side of the park there was Williams - Lockett -Kickett- Gehrig - Nicholls- Jezza - jimmy Buckley - Boustow and the likes and on the other side of the paddock there was Kouta - Bannister- Sentanta - williams- Walker - Prendgast-

The recruiter would pick the players on the Kouta side of the paddock.

Why it is because of what Parkin turned kouta and to a certain extent Worsfold with Judd into .

They have devalued the skills of our game - and its all because of Kouta No one else .

Thats the point allison is trying to get accross - Kouta owes nothing he has changed the game. We may not like it but it is a fact

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Collo shold not have raised the issue again. We all know what Collo thinks of the contract - however, he didn't need to publicly insult our captain.

Dave Allison is a dirt bag.

However, he has an obligation to his client (our captain) to push back against Collo's constant bickering. Kouta should be remembered for all of the great things he has done for the Blues over his entire career, not for a public brawl started again by Collo trying to divert attention.

We, like all other clubs have to pay at least 92.5% of the salary cap. If it wasn't going to Kouta this year who would we pay it to?

Does Wiggo deserve a payrise?
Does Livo? How about Bannister? Maybe AW? Perhaps DeLuca?

There is noboday in our team who is missing out because of Kouta's salary.

He is not worth $1mill this year, however, perhaps the club could keep its mouth shut and not provide Dirty Dave with the opportunity to stick his head up again.

Perhaps Collo could try negotiating behind closed doors rather than firing the first shot through the media.

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Well Kouta has given heaps to Carlton, no one can deny that just like Deenis has to North. Kouta has been rewarded for his great contribution to the club and will probably retire this year when his contract ends.
The only thing Pagan brought to Carlton was his pet gorilla, we owe him nothing and he should no longer be with us.

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Ockham's = spot on (as usual).

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