Sporn was good bar two things.

Read the play beautifully several times, only to spill uncontested marks - confidence? Hopefully.

Failed to scoop the ball up off the ground when running through at least 3 times and I only go to watch the first half and the first two goals in the third.

For a bloke trying to play in the midfield, the inability to pick the ball up off the deck is almost inexcusable given the pressure being applied to him (anyone else would have picked it up, and did pick it up).

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why in gods name would i want to support richmond you dick?


to elaborate on my first post:
lets not kid ourselves, we had a fair chance at winning that game. from midway through the 3rd and for the 4th quarter we had opportunities to peg back the lead, and many times i heard the words 'looking for deluca but the big man is worked under it'...'deluca tries it on the bounce, but fremantle clean up the crums'.....
i dont care what the hell i called him, or what is morally wrong to say about a carlton player. he is not of AFL standard and IMO he cost us the game....we had chances to win, and every time it went in delucas path he screwed it up. he is not a forward and he is not needed in the team. i agree that we should have a back up in case D-mac and french go down, but setanta could cover that, or even waite could in that unlikely situation...

im sick of having to play second rate players cause we've had no-one else, well now we do have someone else. GET DELUCA OUT

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De Luca didnt play well but do we have to describe our players as S===
I think he WILL be dropped this week but lets have some respect and really can we raise the level of debate

Touche. Correcting other people's typos is the lowest form of intellectual elitism, but whatever works for you.

Agree. By all means discuss him but can't we do better than threads titled ------ is s&^*!

whilst i don't particularly agree with the shag's choice of words, his sentiment is on the money. deluca is not up to afl standard. at times i have thought he is pretty good below his knees for a big bloke, but he was pathetic last night. just watched the replay on FF and he was awful. he presents well. thats where it ends. he can't mark unless its on his chest uncontested (and even then he needs to be 5 yards in the clear). his kicking to (op)position is horrendous. he fumbled repeatedly. his football fundementals are way below par. if you can't pick it up (and lets just remember that we are playing with an oval shaped ball) then make sure you get something behind it to keep it in front of you and don't fall over. he didn't do this once last night. simply not good enough and should not be in the side.

sporn was ok last night, and whilst i don't believe he will make it long term, didn't do anything to warrant being dropped.

the midfield got smashed but whoever it was pointing the finger at bentick and simpson turn it up please. if you want to point the finger, point it squarely at stevens, kouta, lappin, scotland and other senior players. lappin had a shocker. lance was ok but made some terrible errors, stevens got a few touches in the end but his defensive work was pathetic, kouta got it plenty but disposal was poor on many occasions and scotland was poor. we got destroyed in the ruck, crucified but the umpires smashed at clearances and some how only lost by 15 points. this game was there to be won bar a few very poor moments ie lances 'deliberate' 50 metre shank out of bounds, lappin kicking into pavlich and gifting him a goal, scotland drop in the ball and 50 metre penalty. all 3 resulted in goals and had they not occurred the result may well have been one in our favour.

anyways, thats going completly off topic. deluca sucks, sporn ok, chambers hmmmm whatever. deluca shouldn't be playing.

The problem with Deluca is intensity, willingness to compete at a high level. It's the same problem that's been seen with Bryan bar his debut game where his intensity was huge.

They need to both lift or they could be off the list at the end of the year.

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I don't doubt Deluca's commitment or desperation, it's just the body won't do what his mind wills it to. If he could convert at least 60% of when he tocuhes the ball to team advantage - ie mark, clean handball, whack the ball to advantage, kick decisively and quickly - we would not be having this debate. He goes near it enough, but can't do anything with it.

I hope he gets better, I really do, but premiership H & A games is not the appropriate venue for him doing it.

I still question his intensity because it dies off pretty much after he starts a lead unless the ball goes to ground, it's like he drops his head when the ball is going to hit him on the volley because he's no good at it. Needs to change that, otherwise we've got a 202 cm Scott Camporeale with even less agility. In fact, Scotty could mark.

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I'm not a great fan of Archie's either, but what he offers is "Game Plan" If Archie does happen to hold his marks all in one game he is capable of having a field day. That being said unless he puts on about 10 kgs of Muscle i think that great games from Archie will be limited.

Still we need someone to play his position and i'm sure that in time it will be Kennedy or Carlos but for now Pagan plays Archie.. Right or wrong we all have our opinions but look beyond the player and think about "game Plan"

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Yeah Archie needs 5 - 10 kgs more body weight, just doesn't seem confident in contesting work. I would really love him to be the backup ruck because he could offer so much to the team in a roving around-the-ground ruck role.

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Deluca has put in two poor performances in consecutive weeks, I think for that alone he should be dropped.

His turnovers let us down badly last night. Bring in Kennedy or O'hailpin and send a message to the rest of the team that you have to perform in order to keep your spot.

So is De Luca our robot from Lost In Space fame? As Dr Smith would say a "bumbling boo bee".

That sounds much better!

Bryan could be but De Luca will have another year on his contract.

Touche unless we come up with enough cash to pay him out. But yeah Archie should go back to the VFL and work damn hard on his ruckwork and his upper body because he could be something special.

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The reason why pagan persists with deluca and the reason why there's a better than average chance that he'll remain in the side next week, is because he's tall. With Bryan, Prenda and Dmac we've amassed a core of midget back-up ruckmen. Deluca does not have the skills to warrant selection in the seniors but it seems like he'll be there until one of the O'hailpins steps up. I think we'll live to regret not selecting Cam Wood, nothing against JR, but we now have Prenda, Bryan, Dmac, Deluca, Aisake and Batson on the list(s) with hopes that one of them will be a consistant ally to French when it's highly likely none of them will be any good and Wood seems a certainty.

I agree Marc Murphey is not up to AFL standard and never will be

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Once I saw this thread, I was searching for your post. Exactly what we were talking about last week!!!!

As you would say, Rod, "BANG".

I think DeLuca needs to make way for another player. Denis needs to stop playing his 'favourites', and I don't mean the Cadbury variety!!!!

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yeah but that Marc <b>Murphy</b> kid isnt too bad in the navy blue.


lol. just for you deano and woj.

and actually replying to the thread at hand, i would like to see De Luca out and Bryan in. Has a massive body and a massive kick. Tell him to stand at CHF, crash packs and if he can, get his hands on the ball. We need someone to do what Sticks used to, if he couldnt get the ball, he crashed the pack to make sure it went to ground and one of our crumbers had a chance....Bryan can do that. Bring in the frankston thug.

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