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we're talking about Sean Og, right?

I don't reckon Setanta is ready. I would hate to think he was taking games away from more worthy selections like Chambers and Sporn. But Sean Og would be ok, because he's "experienced" (ie, can run but can't play)

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and he's older, that's gotta be worth a few points.

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Setanta looked allright to me against Geelong. I thought he missed selection because of calf/achilles injury, otherwise the FP position was his to start the season. He was also ready after the half way mark till he succumbed to injury.

So when do you think he will be ready?...and I don't want to hear ..."when he has stress fractures of the kicking foot".

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http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=258829

Blues look to Kennedy, O'hAilpin

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Carlton is likely to include exciting young key forward Josh Kennedy for his first AFL match and Irishman Setanta O'hAilpin for just his second appearance when the Blues host Hawthorn at Telstra Dome on Friday night.


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Pagan also confirmed that Brad Fisher would return against the Hawks after missing two matches with a hamstring strain sustained in the opening round of the season against Melbourne.

And Matthew Lappin is also right in contention to play on Friday night after he injured his left shoulder last round against Sydney.



Fingers crossed


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So the inside word is Chambers will be dropped:

Out: Fev, Chambers
In: JFK/Carlos, Fisher

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bosman wrote:
http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=258829

Blues look to Kennedy, O'hAilpin

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Carlton is likely to include exciting young key forward Josh Kennedy for his first AFL match and Irishman Setanta O'hAilpin for just his second appearance when the Blues host Hawthorn at Telstra Dome on Friday night.


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Pagan also confirmed that Brad Fisher would return against the Hawks after missing two matches with a hamstring strain sustained in the opening round of the season against Melbourne.

And Matthew Lappin is also right in contention to play on Friday night after he injured his left shoulder last round against Sydney.



Fingers crossed


Didn't realise there was another topic called JFK & the Beast discussing the same rd 4 match preview... :roll: :roll: :roll:


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I prefer to use the rule of three on TC, if there's a contentious Carlton topic, chances are the TC forum has at least three active threads on it. :P

The Irishman and The Unit set to play? Lappo looking good? Fisher 100%?

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For mine, two vital match up decisions have to be made.

Who plays on Hodge?

Who plays on Williams?

I think that 1AW is the perfect match up for both, but obviously that can't happen. So I think 1AW on Hodge, and T-Bird on Williams.

Failing that; 1AW on Williams, and Fish on Hodge to make him accountable.

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McGrath on Williams.

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You have to cut the supply to Williams - there's no point trying to stop him on the lead, he'll cut you up. Our midfield must use the ball properly or Williams will kick 8. And he's a good straight kick too, if we lose the midfield, we need someone who knows how to work the angles and force Williams to lead wide.

McGrath on Williams is ok, as is Carrazzo on Williams. Having said that I think Carrots is better value on the ball and it's vital that we win the clearances and use the ball better out of the middle.

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You have to cut the supply to Williams - there's no point trying to stop him on the lead, he'll cut you up. Our midfield must use the ball properly or Williams will kick 8. And he's a good straight kick too, if we lose the midfield, we need someone who knows how to work the angles and force Williams to lead wide.

McGrath on Williams is ok, as is Carrazzo on Williams. Having said that I think Carrots is better value on the ball and it's vital that we win the clearances and use the ball better out of the middle.


Whoever rucks needs to drop back in front of him.

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See, i don't think so PJ. If we have a ruckman loose, then Hawthorn will then park their ruckman in the goal square and leave Hodge free to play loose man in their defensive 50 where if he's not manned up will cut us to pieces with his precise disposal and ability to run through the lines and kick long goals or spot up a target. I think we're better off playing a loose man who will be at least as damaging as Hodge - or tag Hodge out of the game like Sydney did with Walker. I think we might be better served with Houlihan playing the sweepers' role off HB in order to create and dispose well into midfield. Our disposal against the Swans coming off HB was appalling and we desperately need some precise disposal coming out of there, not mindless bombing.

If not Houlihan, then Lappin (if he plays) - it's imperative that we don't turn the ball over in the back half. Our midfield has to work harder to present when we have the ball, not just stand and expect the opposition to not man them up. How many times were our midfielders just standing there not making leads on Saturday night??? Too many bloody many times.

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Our ruckman isn't agile/mobile or smart enough to cut off the leads.

I don't know why Pagan continues to play him as a loose man when he is ineffectual in that role. Get him pushing forward and be proactive

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Our ruckman isn't agile/mobile or smart enough to cut off the leads.

I don't know why Pagan continues to play him as a loose man when he is ineffectual in that role. Get him pushing forward and be reactive


With Santy and JK playing then one would assume lance would play down back like he has so far this year and with Hawthorn not having an obvious tall match up for him then i feel he should play the role of dropping in front of williams, i think walker on hodge or maybe fisher, i would like to see walker tried in short bursts on the ball he is obviously talented give him a go to show this


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Hawthorn have been playing Croad at CHF, so Lance will probably take either him or the resting ruckman.

T-bird will probably take someone like Dixon, and Walker or McGrath on Williams.

I'd play Lappin Forward, because it looks as if the forward line will be desperately inexperienced. Fisher, Kennedy, O'Hailpin, Betts... this is our forward line, and no-one has played more than 25 games.

Either Lappin or Kouta to play forward and run things - show the youngsters how it's done.

That being said, if you decide to put Teague / Saddington on Dixon and Thornton on Croad you have the option of playing Whitnall up forward and directing traffic. And, regardless of whatever else he is, Lance is a clever bugger and could marshall the youngsters quite well.

We have options, at the very least, and when was the last time you could say that?


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Bentick on Sam Mitchell..Mitchell is every bit as good as Hodge and ultra consistent...
Walker on Hodge..
Thornton on Williams....Williams needs a bigger opponent..same story as Hall..we need to block up the leading space...Hall is a better player than Williams and I dont expect Williams to cut us up like Hall did when he played up the ground in the last quarter of the Swans game..
Carazzo on Crawford
Mcgrath on Lewis
Teague on Dixon....bit of a worry as Dixon has been in fair form ...

Expect Vandenburg to adopt similar tactics to Josh Carr and try and rough up young Murphy..

Not so keen on playing Fisher...big part of our team but he is delicate and injury prone and I would be giving him another week...
Would play Kennedy, Setanta and Bannister....I think Bannister could be useful as an alternative to AW doing all the tagging ...
French, Deluca and Mclaren need to do more...Campbell has been good for the Hawks and appears to have improved...

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Iknow that Waite and Fev are out and I assume that Skinny is out. We need to bring in someone up forward (poss 2 - fill in for Waite) but everyone is putting in the big(ger) guys! We need mobility up there. I think that Kennedy is a bit young and green but he needs to start somewhere. I am assuming that Fish will be ok (so all reports indicate).


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what about bringing bannister in to tag hodge - i know it is a longshot but i would like to c it happen - the problem is it doesnt seem pagan rates bannister at all! bannister is a deceptively good mark one on one.


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Bozman wrote:
what about bringing bannister in to tag hodge - i know it is a longshot but i would like to c it happen - the problem is it doesnt seem pagan rates bannister at all! bannister is a deceptively good mark one on one.


But who do you drop and what forward line structure dwe need given that we struggle to get to 100 points weekly????


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Lance has to play forward. Its too much to rely on 2 virtual 1st gamers to carry us.

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