Kouta is my second all time favourite Carlton player (behind Sticks) however I can't see any point in him playing on.

Weird decision.

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But the fact it WB after Kouta retires we'll still have the sme board and they are who I am disappointed in.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Ok next year Kouta will keep one of Setanta/ Kennedy/Raso/Bower out of the side.

And he will offer nothing.

Just another weak decision made by the club.

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Kouta retained for his on field experience I can see the reason for that our list will be younger again and still developing next yr

Signed for 2007 so we can stay at 92.5 of the cap i can see thats a likely case scenario

If this contract is performance/marketing based what are we loosing if he does not perform up to KPI (key performance indicators) he wont get paid a large remunaration.

He has been paid well for his services at Carlton we are now getting what we wanted a realistic contract. Now lets expect him to play like a 34 yr old, enjoy his football, teach/guide the kids.

Mr Pagan expect him to be a 34 yr old and nurse him aka not a full game/bench rotation player

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Can smell the gf its there for the taking we are the form side

After spending most of the day reflecting on the decision I offer one point that most have ignored. Pagan actually wanted Kouta to play on and must have recommended to the board that he continue. I find this staggering. Has Pagan not seen the deterioration of Kouta's performance this past year? Kouta has probably only played 3-4 good matches this year out of 15. So what gives Pagan the confidence that he will play any more?

I wonder now who Pagan has in his sights to go. The list of delistings must surely be Chambers, Davies, Livingston, Longmuir, Prendergast and Sporn. DeLuca, McLaren, Saddington and Teague deserve to go, but still have another year on their contracts and so will remain. French should consider retirement, but probably will play on. Bryan is a question mark. He needs to put in solid performances over the next three weeks. O'hAilpin has been developing well these past few weeks and deserves another season. Bannister, McGrath and Wiggins have done enough to remain.

Back to Kouta he has been re-signed. So let's get behind him. He has been amongst our greatest players. In full flight there has been no one like him. Let's hope in his last year he can recapture some of that elite form. It is up to him to show us and prove us wrong.

Latest blurb from the Hun:

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 22,00.html

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good post mallee

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Can smell the gf its there for the taking we are the form side

$250,000 hey

Seems No1Blue wins.

Does the fact we didn't cave in and pay him $300,000 change anyone's mind?

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Did a straw poll of Carlton supporters at footy training last night. 100% in favour of Kouta being re-signed.

It goes against the youth policy that Smorgan put forward earlier in the season.....Kouta doesnt need the money and why would you be taking the spot of a younger player who needs game time and develpment.
Koutas form vs Hawthorn was terrible...people go on about AW's kicking but Kouta's was woeful....retire gracefully would have been the right thing to do..

Its the clubs fault for offering him another season....its not about hating Kouta either...how many times do you see players playing one season too many...ie Bradley....

What I want to know is what do the club, Kouta and Pagan hope to achieve with this decision...does he now get a game each week regardless of form based on pure sentiment and the fact Pagan wants him to go on....his form warrants him being dropped..not re-signed....where is the club going?

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Cool - we go go through all this again next year.

What the @#$%&! are these people on?

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Those who are arguing that Kouta has robbed the spot of a young kid have no idea how a team is structured.

Every team has a “veterans listâ€

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[quote="DIAMOTISM"]Those who are arguing that Kouta has robbed the spot of a young kid have no idea how a team is structured.

Every team has a “veterans listâ€

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WIll Ryan Jackson benifit from seeing the way Kouta prepares for games? I reckon he would.
The team needs a figure head. All the kids have seen what kouta was capable of in his prime. I think they will learn heaps from just watching him prepare. Developing players and a team is going to take time. Having kouta around for another year is an important step. Lets not rush things and look for quick fixes. They dont work.

Go Blues !

Agreed - it's not the spot on the list that's the issue it's the spot in the 22.

Anyone suggesting that Kouta's on-field example is something we want our kids watching must have been watching a different game to the ones I have.

If he's in the forward line one of our young talls misses out.

If he's in the middle one of our young midfielders misses out.

If he's in the backline one of our young backmen misses out and we'll leak like a sieve.

Matthew Lappin was dropped earlier in the season for poor form but his form though bad was nowhere near as poor as Kouta's has been for most of the year.

If Kouta was going to be subject to the same selection policies as our young players I wouldn't mind so much. If he had to earn his spot in the 22 and be dropped when he doesn't play well then fine.

But that's not going to happen is it?

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Tell me club29 - how exactly does Kouta prepare for games?

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Kouta is a figure head but thats about all ....its Fev who is leading the team at the moment, Fev who has sworn of the booze and setting the example and Fev who is getting the results....we are playing Kouta purely out of being a figure head...a icon from the past to cling on to....I dont get it...

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Given its now done can we please move on from the personal attacks on Kouta. Fair enough if you think its a bad decision attack the people who made it but how does the constant denigration of one of our great players do anything to make us less of a rabble?

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Ive seen Kouta on a number of occasions put in extra training jogging around the park when training isnt scheduled...

You can tell me right now that he doesnt prepare well before a match.. You can go on about him playing for money, i dont care about that, but to imply he doesnt prepare well before a game is absolutely pathetic...

When was the last time Kouta made the headlines for being a 'drunk'... or for not putting in enough work at training...

Gosh mate... except that not everyone agrees with the crap you serve up ok?... You are entitled to your opinion and IMO you are ignorant and stupid if you believe Kouta doesnt prepare well before a match and his training ethic..

Kouta would have to be one of the best trainers we have on our list... I dont get where you're coming from with this one

What rubbish!...

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I serve up rubbish do I?

Perhaps you might like to read what I actually wrote?

I asked a simple question.

I never suggested he doesn't prepare well before a match.

I keep hearing that it's Kouta's example that will be of such enormous benefit to our young players and yet no-one has spelt out exactly what that means. The best you seem to be able to do is suggest that he does a bit of extra jogging.

What I want to know is what does Kouta do that is so different from Fev, Stevens, Lappin, French, or any of the other senior players?

Or even some of the young ones such as Murphy?

What is this magical component that puts him head and shoulders above the rest of the team?

Or is it just your hero worship blinding you to the fact that Kouta is just another player?

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