Warnock has currency - we don't need 3 rucks

..knockers is 27, at the rate he is improving he will be hitting his straps at 34.. ....mid point of the season and he has already had a few very poor games, some against inexperienced rucks!.. ..specialist ruck, as if.. ..what is his actual specialty again..?.. ..long cashed up contracts at the blues, that's his specialty..

..am very disappointed in him, for a while there I had dreams of him and krooz making an established ruck combo.. ..not with either one having the vast majority of ruck time, maybe a 60/40 split in knockers' favour.. ..the idea was to keep a constant strong ruck presence at all times. :..this is difficult to establish, but if possible is a huge advantage.. ..but outside the ruck, knockers is very poor.. ..lacks fitness to do anything but sit on the bench or lean against a goal post catching his breath..

..I was hoping both rucks could work together, so we could have bolt developing and playing as permanent forward, which he could really fast track, he isn't much help in the ruck but is then good around the ground.. ..give him a roaming forward role and he will thrive..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

We do when we have one injured....but do we really have 3 rucks?

Cant believe how the 3rd fiddle ruckman Ceglar outpointed the bigger Warnock last night.

I wish we had a bonafide class ruckman. We have none imo. BKB is so bias towards Kreuzer its commendable but I think most watchers dont rate Kruezers ruck work and marking...regardless of what stats BKB puts up. He does put up a good argument no doubt, but Im not convinced...wish he was playing though.

IMO Kreuzer is a ruck rover who contests the ruck, Warnock is usually a nullifier of class ruckmen and nothing else, and Casboult is a KPF who can relieve in the ruck with no success.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

If Kruezer only played ruck rover he wouldn't be on an AFL list- too slow, not athletic enough, struggles to find the footy. Before someone says he is athletic- he is compared to a Ruckman but not to the genuine midfielders. He is 200cm that is why he's played all his career in the Ruck. We recruited him to play in the ruck. If we wanted a midfielder we would have recruited Cotchin.

Guys I think you should listen to that guy Terry Wallace on SEN

He always has lots of opinions on list management

And he says that back in the day he was a guru

Why can't we get him? Why do we always get second best ????? Bruce should be targeting this Terry guy !

I swear if he came in with a plan for our list and we give him a fixed term like say 5 years or so he'd sort us right out.

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dane's trolling again

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

A certain African river comes to mind.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Mick said in that article we'll do what we did last year.

I think he just means given we already have 3 players gone, we won't be delisting nearly 10 like we did last year.

As usual it seems some selective quoting has been performed in the AFL article.

Here is a more complete picture of what Mick said: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/b ... 3234342515

Makes sense to me.

Don't rate this crop of the draft beyond the top 8 at this point. Doubt there'll be too many clubs squirrelling picks away as a result. Improvement will have to come through the go home factor, player for player deals, and getting the best first pick we can.

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

We need to be aggressive.

I'd like Judd to play on - I think he could still give us plenty on and off field.

Carrazzo and McLean should join Duigan and Scotland in the great green fields beyond. That frees up a fairly sizable chunk of coin.

Go to Boyd's manager and engineer a trade request. "Trade me to Carlton now or I walk for nothing at the end of my contract". We offer our first pick and Walker to GWS.

Go to WCE and open negotiations for Gaff. Start with a straight swap for Lucas and go from there.

I'd entertain offers for Kruezer and Warnock and, depending what we could get, would happily trade.

So we lose Lucas, Duigan, Scotland, McLean, Carrazzo, Walker and get Boyd, Gaff and the opportunity to lure potential free agents with whatever is left over.

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Whatever happened to this club
I wish I understood
We used to be so strong
We used to be so good

Ballsy. Not even going to put Sporn and Beasy on the table. Fair bit of faith shown in this list.

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

Gaff is the softest player west of Eucla. Makes Lucas look like the HULK. He can kick though, as long as he's free or not close to being tackled.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

I don't care who we get as long as they can @#$%&! kick. We're a bottom team purely because we simply can't hit a teammate by hand or foot. Embarrassing to watch.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

If this draft is as weak or uninspiring as has been discussed, we sort of can't afford to have a top pick, as silly as that sounds. We need stand out, generational type players.

As for GWS: plenty of talent, not enough spots. We need to do whatever we can to lure one of Cameron, Patton or Boyd. Cameron is far and away the best at this point, whilst Boyd looks to have more long term potential than Patton. If we dispense with the players listed the kitty should be great enough to turn the young man's head.

The Eagles are in a bit of a flux like we are, where they aren't particularly good and could be ordinary for years to come. If Gaff can be enticed home we flick Lucas and, essentially, get a much better version of him in return. Now, because Lucas is pretty pants, we may need to throw in a sweetener in the form of a pick or whatever.

Longer term we need to look at a defender, but if we were to grab a forward we could play Henderson back until such a time comes that we can leave him there by securing another forward (to replace Waite).

I should clarify I'd not trade BOTH Kruezer and Warnock.

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Whatever happened to this club
I wish I understood
We used to be so strong
We used to be so good

Put it this way, if you can engineer a Gaff for Lucas swap, I will rim you.

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

doesn't matter how much effort you put in, if you have a team that has poor disposal then you have no chance

although others rate them, I don't have much time for players like Curnow and Rowe

will take you nowhere, stop gap at best

I'd be happy enough with the deal itself.

Obviously I'm not sure what the Eagles think of Gaff long term - or what Gaff wants to do - but the question is worth asking.

Lucas can be good in the right system, maybe he just needs a fresh start back home.

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Whatever happened to this club
I wish I understood
We used to be so strong
We used to be so good