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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2026 5:08 pm 
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It just might be a very tight corner Wright and Davies find themself in, 2 months down the track.

IF, a big IF, the Blues get on a role and win the next 4 games, what does that mean to the selection process?

Do they have the conversation with Fraser? If Josh says he's not ready, does he just slip back to being an assistant Coach. Would he be happy to slip back into that role?

I just checked the Fixture. Holy heck, we only play 1 more game (vs GWS) away from Melb from this Round until seasons end.

The next group of games - Bombers, Bye, GWS, Eagles, Tigers. 3 of the 4 would be an expected result.

Our last 7 games are Hawks, Pies, Suns, Lions, Saints, Dogs and Freo. Tough gig. The performances from those 7 might tell the story.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2026 5:19 pm 
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quote="keogh"


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The people involved at board level when Voss was appointed were
Priestley( finance)
David Campbell ( advisory on leadership)
Lahra Carey ( communications and marketing strategies)
Greg Williams ( printing ex champ)
Paddy Kinnersly ( our watch)
They were directly involved in the final say of Voss’ appointment
They collectively got it wrong
Despite this Priestley is on the selection panel and William’s will consult with the selection panel and the board according to the club


Not sure if you realise this but each Director brings their set of skills and strengths to the Board.
What should be obvious to you is thaw Williams, as Director of Football would be the expert on On Field matters, with the Football Manager and CEO being two most important sources of information to decipher for the Board. They made a decision with heavy weighting placed on Williams opinion.

You are blaming everyone for staying in their lane, and trusting the expert of on field football matters, football legend, "Diesel" Williams. They stayed in their lane and provided their expertise of expertise influence, as they should, and didn't undermine Diesel. They believed Diesel was the expert, for good reason. What you have chosen to do is throw the baby out with the bath water. You fail to acknowledge the success they have achieved in their area of expertise. You are in the wrong keogh. Can you see where the failure lies now?


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You can be a board member for 12 years
You come up for re- election every 4
The only time you actually front the members is at the annual general meeting in February ironically when members expectations are at their most optimistic
They escape nearly all scrutiny despite ultimately having the final say on important matters


Which one should be made accountable for Coach's failure? Honestly


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If we are all about accountability to get the best coach then these 5 people should have no say in the other because they have underperformed


They have underperformed? Last time I looked we were doing very well with our finances, diversifying revenue streams, providing funds for facilities.....keeping the club afloat and out of debt with the corrupt AFL Commission.


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Hopefully Davies and Wright only run the show this time
Wright clearly rates Fraser got him over to Carlton


Hope is all we have got if we have confidence in these two to make good, independent decisions, and inform the Board accordingly.

What's different this time with coaching selection process?

With Preistley there, Williams is no longer the sole source of information for the Borad to make an well informed decision. This time, the Board has two different sets of eyes and ears focussed on the process that CD and GW are running. One may be losing their marbles, according to rumour mongers, but there's no question the other is articulate and intelligent enough to understand what GW and CD have to say before, during and after their decision is made. I can't fault that. This is as safe as we can get. Capiche?

Whether Diesel survives as Director of Football is a totally separate matter.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2026 5:21 pm 
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GWS wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
wanna bet? :wink:


Still dependent on pokies then...



GWS you're a classic :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2026 6:26 pm 
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just Teague echoes GWS - truth is I would rather stick to the process and Fraser stick to his decision - otherwise was their an undermining of Voss from Fraser's appointment? I do not think so but if he is appointed how can we know? That's why i am so impressed with Fraser saying 'nope, not ready" it keeps things clear.

I also accept that it could just my nerves given past events.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2026 8:56 pm 
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Keogh, I look at us at TC as a family. I enjoy some of the stuff you post, and like dannyboy. I agree with some of your comments, but you can't help to conflate the past with the present. You are so angry with the past you want to blow up the whole joint up, and behead everyone in a suit.

I hear your voice "Viva la revoluc'ion".

That was a symbol of resistance, for cultural change. Significant in France, Mexico, Cuba... at the time. But you don't want to accept the small steps of cultural change the whole club has made in the past 5 years.. And now, after several attempts to change, since 2015, we find ourselves, right or wrong, moving on a coach again. We've won 3 games in a row, about to make it 4. Most agree if we played like we are now we would have beaten North, Pies, Dees, possibly, Lions and Crows, and surely the saints. We have found out we have something good here.

But lets take a breath. Maybe the small steps taken over the last 10 years have been significant. I acknowledge the "good" changes Vossy has made to the Football Dept. I feel his Game Plan may be bearing fruits now. I want our players to continue the mantra contest and pressure. But I want it for 4 quarters. Players still sing from the same song book, but only recently have they applied it for 4 quarters, initiating tweaks Assistants were trying to instill in players in the preseason and bringing contest and pressure for 4 quarters. The players all say so. Listen to all interviews, especially Dean's most recent "Rising Sun" interview. Voss was good for the club in some ways. he's not Neeld or Malthouse. Its not as you think. Maybe you are right with some of your assertions, but not all.

Politics is a game of give and take, to find middle ground and consensus. Without that process, its pure anarchy. Blowing up the joint is anarchy. That's what SOS did to this List from 2015. It was extreme and we have paid for it. Lets not go to extremes and blow the joint up again.

You paint everyone connected to the club with the same brush, because some of the Board Members, not all, made a wrong decision. This hatred and extremism imo comes after decades of the same form of disdain you have for all Boards post 1995. Its 2026. A lot has changed. There will always be some connection in the club with a previous regime. You can't hate everyone, forever. maybe you can, but you shouldn't imo.

Articulate which Board Members you want removed and leave the others alone. Its OUR club, not YOURS alone. Lets be intelligent about this, to give us some comfort by appreciating and acknowledging the things we are doing well, and hold onto those, and build from there. Its not hard. Its only a game, and you have to enjoy games.

We need to find a new coach. See thread. You either believe GW and CD are the right guys to run the process, or you don't. Accept that as fact. You will not change who makes the final decision, and until you do, you are aiming blindly and living in the past as your only guide. Come on mate, let the show begin. It's a new phase of our evolution. Don't throw stones at it when it has only barely started...let it roll out, then tell us what you think. You are not Nostradamus, and you should not take our love hate relationship to heart. Its only a game. We are a family. Bluebaggers.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2026 8:35 am 
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Williams headed the selection panel last time
Kinnersly was on the panel too
Both demoted
That’s a bonus


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2026 8:19 pm 
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would Voss be able to apply to be the new coach of Blues now the circuit breaker has been flicked and we're winning again? ;-)

more seriously, I think it' a bit rich to say he was a failure as coach, Fraser and all the senior and junior players of note are saying Voss taught the players a lot of their craft and it seems like, reading between the lines, Voss was a good personal mentor and brought some pride back to the playing group after the Teague era. 2023 was better than anything legends in Malthouse and Pagan did. Maybe the most selfless thing Voss did was fall on his sword, perfectly timed to launch us into 2026 or maybe he was hiding them back with conservatism in player selection, tactics, game style. I dont think we can adjudicate on this until at least the end of 2026 season, and maybe after a year or two under a new coach. I don't understand the hatred towards him, even if in the end he had to be moved on. Why do we have to see things in black and white all the time?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2026 8:22 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
keogh wrote:

Windy
I could give you so many examples of how passed boards and The Pratt’s, Mathiesons, Smorgons and Kerrs have [REDACTED] this club up that I haven’t posted
Not much point because you and others will repeat yourselves with your mindless replies

What gets me is
Cazzeman, Blue Vain, Dannyboy they seem to want to ignore any opinion about why we have been the worst performed team of the 18 in the last quarter of a century


not true.

In fact if you bothered to read and hold several ideas in your mind at once you might see at times I (and I assume others) have agreed with you
what I do not agree with
what bores me shitless with your posts
and why I really usually just read and ignore
is that it seems you fail to be able to hold several contrary things as "truths" at the same time - what some might call nuance over binary and what my old philosophy department would call dialectical thinking.

Have numerous carlton boards been shithouse - absolutely
Was I pleased with Voss's appointment - No
but I can see that the boards have improved lately - still a ways to go but getting better - wright's appointment points to that imo (as does the youth on our list - something even you acknowledge - though I assume you think this was a fluke?)
I can also see that Voss did a lot right and that should be remembered - it may even be a truth that we needed Voss to set certain things straight before the next appointment.

see not black or white - but, like all things in life, full of colour.


yes, I just tried to say similar things. can't agree more, other than that i supported Voss appointment, for what that isn't worth.

Was less about being over-excited about Voss as coach and more about loathing the prospect of Ross Lyon as a CFC coach. I thought McRae had been a great Pies appointment at the time we were also looking for a new coach (turned out to be correct about McRae whatever people think about him personally) and wanted Blues to go somewhere in the 'new coach' direction, seeing as we've all been very disappointed in hero-worship based appointments in Malthouse and Pagan.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2026 9:14 pm 
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keogh wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
Apophenia - driven by confirmation bias and rumour psychology. When a person spreads gossip, they naturally look for patterns to support the story. They mistake random, unrelated events (coincidences) for concrete evidence of a hidden truth.


[…]I don’t give a shit what you think of my views. […]


If I took a straw poll i reckon 95% of contributors to this forum would think that's a massive deflection. @Keogh, for you, every accusation is an admission, IMHO. My estimation is you deeply, longingly want confirmation in your one-eyed, vitriolic hatred of all things associated with the CFC Board and coaching roles. Otherwise why keep levelling the same accusations, sans new evidence, over and over?

Why?

Maybe to convince yourself you are correct on a deeper level, safety in numbers?

A few of the criticisms of boards past and present I agree with, like the amoral position in making blood-money from pokies. Corporate patriarchy mates looking after mates and all that BS. But people are just one thing, we all have strengths and weaknesses. Boards are made of people, so it follows they will have strengths and weaknesses, by design you try and cancel weaknesses out and amplify strengths through diversity of appointments.

But all of a sudden you seem to thing we have promising youngsters (it was a complete team effort including all the senior players in the last 3.5 games, not just a handful of youngsters who won the game of their own boots) and yet you can't find it in your heart to believe that anybody at Carlton deserves any credit for our recruitment and player development over the last 3 or 4 years. Seems to be a fundamental contradiction in your main line of argument to me.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2026 10:27 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
. Why do we have to see things in black and white all the time?


Collingwood Derangement Syndrome


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2026 8:31 am 
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The board and the families that look over the club have been the clubs problem for 30 years. Going right back to when Elliott wanted Princes Park to be the number two ground the Eastern Stand was built the deal fell through and we were left with debt that almost ended the club
David McKay who was on the initial board after Elliott was thrown out has said the club was close to handing the keys into the AFL.
The board spent the next decade and beyond focusing on getting the club out of debt and not focusing on on football matters which is part of its job
From there it’s been a procession of bad football decisions made by the board with pressure from those “ families “.
Only 5 years ago we had a selection process that was flawed.
Once again they appointed the wrong coach.
They went with the name not the best coach.
Greg Williams was the head of that selection process and forgot to ring Parkin just announced he was on the panel.
How can a club be that stupid to employ someone on 800000 in
such a crucial job

Clubs like Carlton and Essendon* have struggled in the AFL for the last 2 decades because they can’t move on from their past
Look at Hird. He is the least qualified person yet powerful people like Liddle and Sheedy back him
The way the game is played moves at breakneck speed
If your caught napping you get left behind
Greg Williams should not be anywhere near the decision making process for a new coach in 2026
He is there because he was a champion Carlton player
There is your past catching up with you

Now whether posters like it or not when Wright officially became the CEO after shadowing Cook in July he contacted McCrae and enquired whether he wanted to coach Carlton
Wright is a tough administrator with a very high football IQ
He knew Voss couldn’t coach ivy up a wall but he wasn’t sacked at the end of 2025
Maybe Wright didn’t have the time to look at future candidates
You want your new senior coach before seasons end with draft and trade decisions
Wright got Fraser over from Collingwood at the end of 2025
He knew the club was going nowhere with Voss in 2026

My hope is Fraser is the man
A coach that truly understands the modern game is adaptable listens to his assistants advice
He could easily be a 7 zip coach in a month
And on probably half of what Voss was on
Hard for the board to interfere then


It’s not rocket science that the club at board level is run by people with little footy acumen
The bottom line folks
It’s the Carlton Football Club
Not the Carlton Football Club Club Pty Ltd


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2026 8:50 am 
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keogh wrote:
My hope is Fraser is the man

Keogh, you're a man of the west. Any thoughts on Jaymie Graham?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2026 8:54 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2026 9:14 am 
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Jaymie Graham is the right profile in regards to a senior job
Has been an assistant at 3 clubs Saints Eagles Dockers
He also coached senior at East Perth and they played finals
Tactically smart
Good at building relationships
43 years old and ready
He is one of many coaches with a good resume at assisting level


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2026 9:28 am 
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All of a sudden we have good youngsters
I wanted Wilson an Ison in far sooner
I want to see Charleston and Ben Campo in soon
Campo has improved a lot in recent weeks
Pitto has been serviceable but Riley needs to be played
His height is a bonus
Hope that clears that matter up


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2026 9:43 am 
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keogh wrote:
The board and the families that look over the club have been the clubs problem for 30 years. Going right back to when Elliott wanted Princes Park to be the number two ground the Eastern Stand was built the deal fell through and we were left with debt that almost ended the club
David McKay who was on the initial board after Elliott was thrown out has said the club was close to handing the keys into the AFL.
The board spent the next decade and beyond focusing on getting the club out of debt and not focusing on on football matters which is part of its job
From there it’s been a procession of bad football decisions made by the board with pressure from those “ families “.
Only 5 years ago we had a selection process that was flawed.
Once again they appointed the wrong coach.
They went with the name not the best coach.
Greg Williams was the head of that selection process and forgot to ring Parkin just announced he was on the panel.
How can a club be that stupid to employ someone on 800000 in
such a crucial job

Clubs like Carlton and Essendon** have struggled in the AFL for the last 2 decades because they can’t move on from their past
Look at Hird. He is the least qualified person yet powerful people like Liddle and Sheedy back him
The way the game is played moves at breakneck speed
If your caught napping you get left behind
Greg Williams should not be anywhere near the decision making process for a new coach in 2026
He is there because he was a champion Carlton player
There is your past catching up with you

Now whether posters like it or not when Wright officially became the CEO after shadowing Cook in July he contacted McCrae and enquired whether he wanted to coach Carlton
Wright is a tough administrator with a very high football IQ
He knew Voss couldn’t coach ivy up a wall but he wasn’t sacked at the end of 2025
Maybe Wright didn’t have the time to look at future candidates
You want your new senior coach before seasons end with draft and trade decisions
Wright got Fraser over from Collingwood at the end of 2025
He knew the club was going nowhere with Voss in 2026

My hope is Fraser is the man
A coach that truly understands the modern game is adaptable listens to his assistants advice
He could easily be a 7 zip coach in a month
And on probably half of what Voss was on
Hard for the board to interfere then


It’s not rocket science that the club at board level is run by people with little footy acumen
The bottom line folks
It’s the Carlton Football Club
Not the Carlton Football Club Club Pty Ltd


TC - You now have the Ultra concise version of, "The World of Carlton according to Keogh".

Keogh has refined this post, from his past 500 posts, to be the Pure Essence of his beliefs. Please bookmark this post for future reference.

Keogh, it will make it easier, moving forward, if you simply post - "Refer Bookmark" for all your thoughts. Makes it simple for everyone concerned, otherwise if simply becomes everyone's favorite abbreviation on the internet......

TL;DR :thumbsup:

Enjoy Sunday's game. :beer: :beer: :beer:

Regards Cazzesman

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2026 10:35 am 
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I’ll enjoys Sundays game too it’s pretty simple really isn’t
If you have to ring someone you ring them
Yeah that’s pretty simple
Hopefully Diesel doesn’t have that responsibility as a consultant to the board over the selection process findings
You would great fun at parties Cazzeman
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2026 10:45 am 
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keogh wrote:
I’ll enjoys Sundays game too it’s pretty simple really isn’t
If you have to ring someone you ring them
Yeah that’s pretty simple
Hopefully Diesel doesn’t have that responsibility as a consultant to the board over the selection process findings
You would great fun at parties Cazzeman
A laugh a minute


:wink: Mrs Caz says.............."You're not funny."

I beg to differ...............................................like all non-funny people do :smoking:

Regards Cazzesman

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2026 10:47 am 
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She must have no sense of humour then
Ah well at least you’ve got one thing in common


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2026 11:32 am 
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I've been racking my brain (and yes in this case with your posts it does seem a bit like being on the medieval torture "the rack") trying to get to the essence of why your posts shit me so much Keogh. Its not you ( I do not know you at all) as much as the way you post, or better yet, what your posts omit and their tone.

I think I have 2 examples from your most recent essay an " how things are bad with carlton..."

1 you mention the "handing back of the keys" as if you have delivered a piece of info none of us knew about, Plenty of us did and it has been spoken about...though as time moves it is less and less relevant. You never acknowledge other posters knew this as well but state this as your "secret bit of knowledge".

The new "Carlton has good kids" posts that have arrived in your posts - again as if you are the only to person to have seen this (almost as if somehow your posts created the condition for it to occur) - truth is though posters have been seeing the list improvement for some time - it was 2 years ago (I think) where it was first suggested because many posters were excited with the new crop -(Jagga, O'Farell, etc) that maybe the club was doing a shift in focus to bring in better kids to redevelop this list. But your posts again seem never to acknowledge others see this and claim it as your own "special" insight.

Perhaps in future work less on negativity and more on tone? Or of course just ignore me...plenty do...

ps - this lesson is free because I love this site.

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