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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 8:55 am 
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I'm pretty happy we have kept him, even if I'm pretty sure he's not the answer. I reckon Dodo got close, but from the wrong direction, in his lovely bold type message yesterday. The 95 team was exceptional and player driven. Unfortunately, that sense of entitlement in 'player power' has passed down to an increasingly less-exceptional player group over the last 30 years. We've all sat and bemoaned the strike games or the not turning up on the weekend because we had to train a bit harder on Thursday games and the generally mentally fragile disposition. Teams always know they can get us from five goals down because they know we are soft mentally. Maybe being told no for once will make them realise that they are in fact dispensable - get with the program or get packing.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 10:28 am 
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Very happy with the decision.

Even though it's likely we let him go after his contract expires next year, at least we are FINALLY letting a coach see out their contact. No more knee-jerk reactions without a clear plan in place.

My theory is Wright and the board have realised that sacking Voss is unlikely to lead to a miracle turnaround next season, so let him finish his contract and work on fixing other issues in the interim.

And if it turns out Voss wasn't the problem after all, great, they can renew his contract towards the end of next year. No rush.

So we're delaying the sakc by a year because, optics?

Wright has had plenty of time to evaluate the coaches.
He has two options... sakc now or extend his contract if he's deemed as the right person going forward.

I don't have a problem with keeping Voss if they believe he's the best choice.
But let's see what happens next year is the worst option... a potential wasted year that won't go down well with anyone.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 10:41 am 
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No, he isn't saying it's about optics, he's saying we shouldn't sakc out of general frustration and without a clearly articulated plan. I would even argue that going the sakc would be the optical (not optimal!) solution because it's meat to the segment of the fanbase that demands actions and apportioning of blame.

I have no issue with an extra year of Voss even if he turns out not to be the right man. There are deeper issues with the playing group - in terms of attitude, resilience and profile - that IMO aren't going to be resolved overnight by a coaching change. So let's reduce the adjacent volatilities and work through a plan to build a team that is available and capable of modern football.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 10:53 am 
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No one is expecting a meteoric rise with a new coach in 2026... we have a long way to go either way.

Depending on who comes and goes (players), repairing the list may take some time. We need people in positions now that will be there in 3-5 years time to see this though... even if it's Voss... we need certainty now.

Wright has been there long enough to evaluate the lay of the land... to come up with a plan going forward... and he chooses a gap year?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 11:59 am 
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I wonder if the Collingwood forums have posts wanting to sack McRea now :lol: :lol: :lol:

5 weeks ago they were top of the ladder and 10 points clear of #2. They were about a $1.10 for the Flag. Now lost 4 of 5. AFL is a fickle beast.

What changed? Over confidence? Injuries to key defenders? Age catching up? Dissent in the Board? Coach has lost the players? Houston has lost his mojo? No Daicos, No Pies?

Strange times?

Still, the Media Experts will have the answers. So will the forums :thumbsup: :smoking:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 12:17 pm 
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I wonder if the Collingwood forums have posts wanting to sack McRea now :lol: :lol: :lol:

5 weeks ago they were top of the ladder and 10 points clear of #2. They were about a $1.10 for the Flag. Now lost 4 of 5. AFL is a fickle beast.

What changed? Over confidence? Injuries to key defenders? Age catching up? Dissent in the Board? Coach has lost the players? Houston has lost his mojo? No Daicos, No Pies?

Strange times?

Still, the Media Experts will have the answers. So will the forums :thumbsup: :smoking:

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Nah , master strategist Hayden Skipworth will cop the flack .

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 12:39 pm 
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LLWLL

Collingwood’s form line.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 1:50 pm 
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ok we are sticking by MV ,but he has to change that crap u12 game plan for 2 yrs me a blue collar worker has been calling for change so i do not understand how all these professionals cant see what a failure it is, so get new assistants and hopefully Austin can land a rough diamond and injured players back for 26 and away we go again.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:04 pm 
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Graham Wright the incoming CEO has been employed to make decisions.
First decision/ recommendation is retain Michael Voss as coach. Right fine.
What I find midly amusing, the media saying the board accepted the
recommendation ''unanimously''.
Ofcourse they did, they aren't going argue the point with GW on his first submission.
That would be laughable
So now what or who is next...................

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:05 pm 
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Nah , master strategist Hayden Skipworth will cop the flack .


He was copping it on talkback radio last night that's for sure

As was Houston :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:18 pm 
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murraycray wrote:
Graham Wright the incoming CEO has been employed to make decisions.
First decision/ recommendation is retain Michael Voss as coach. Right fine.
What I find midly amusing, the media saying the board accepted the
recommendation ''unanimously''.
Ofcourse they did, they aren't going argue the point with GW on his first submission.
That would be laughable
So now what or who is next...................

There's potentially a bunch of changes coming but as to what order they happen we'll have to wait and see

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:31 pm 
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It is interesting regarding the Pies.

They have been without their two quickest in Hills and McCreery.

Their back 6 has struggled to stay together over the past 6 weeks. Houston is down on form. Clubs have worked Moore out.
Nick Daicos is getting plenty of it but he can't carry the team against the best opposition.

The over-30 brigade is finding the going tough at the back end of the season with 5 day turnarounds.

There are a number of similarities to Carlton, injury-wise, when you look closely. I'm not trying to make excuses, just pointing out what a tough competition it can be, trying to climb out of the also rans. Everything has to go right across the board.

Look how exciting the Doggies are to watch, and they are still fighting to make the 8.

I'm looking forward to a shake-up on our list. If Harry, TDK and SOS go then that should give us some ammo for trades and salary cap relief.

Can HOK take over from Harry? At 20 he is an exciting prospect and maybe even infront of where Harry was at 20. Lemmy is still the great unknown. If SOS goes I think we have to keep McGovern. Use him forward and Newman can slot back into D50. Hopefully Kemp makes it back okay as the swing man.

I don't know enough about Oscar Allen, but is he worth a 5 year deal? I presume he has a handshake with the Hawks, but you never know unless you ask.

In Wright we have to trust. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:34 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Nah , master strategist Hayden Skipworth will cop the flack .


He was copping it on talkback radio last night that's for sure

As was Houston :lol:


The Houston problem is sorted . They have his replacement lined up .

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 3:28 pm 
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Clearly, Wright has decided that Voss is not the problem.
He would have spoken to him about the game plan and either believes in it (whatever the full version is) or Voss and him agree on how we need to tweak it to be successful.
From my perspective, the defence and contest part is good. It’s what we do with the ball and ahead of the ball that needs work so that we can improve our scoring. I imagine there is a bit of game plan, a bit of player change, and a bit of tactical change required.

Reflecting on last year, for the first half of the season, it looked like Fagan would be sacked and that the Lions had missed their window after getting close a number of times and would have to start again from scratch. A couple of months later they had a flag and were favourites for 2025 too.
Adelaide were up in arms about re-signing Nicks, were struggling and finished the season in 16th with many questioning their future. A year later, a few tweaks, and they are on top of the ladder.
Similarly, Luke Beveridge was on his way out the door. They held their nerve and, although they are struggling to make the 8 at the moment, they are playing well for the most part and were amongst the premiership favourites earlier in the season.

Things can turn around quickly and, for the most part, are never as bad as they may seem.

In terms of backing Voss, I’m fine with them backing him for next year but not re-signing him beyond that at this stage. There is no need for that. Let’s get the right pieces in place, hopefully have a good run with injury, and we will be in a much better position to perform and/or make further change if required.


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It's going to be very interesting listening to the fan podcasts next week. Most seemed pretty certain it was only a question of weeks; the Prendercast crew in particular saying anyone who thinks Voss should stay is a moron and that Wright would give their head a needed wobble. I expect they'll all insist they were right, but what about Wright?


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It's going to be very interesting listening to the fan podcasts next week. Most seemed pretty certain it was only a question of weeks; the Prendercast crew in particular saying anyone who thinks Voss should stay is a moron and that Wright would give their head a needed wobble. I expect they'll all insist they were right, but what about Wright?


There are going to be some pencil-cases thrown out of the cot, that's for sure.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 4:04 pm 
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BamBam7 wrote:
Very happy with the decision.

Even though it's likely we let him go after his contract expires next year, at least we are FINALLY letting a coach see out their contact. No more knee-jerk reactions without a clear plan in place.

My theory is Wright and the board have realised that sacking Voss is unlikely to lead to a miracle turnaround next season, so let him finish his contract and work on fixing other issues in the interim.

And if it turns out Voss wasn't the problem after all, great, they can renew his contract towards the end of next year. No rush.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 4:11 pm 
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BamBam7 wrote:
Very happy with the decision.

Even though it's likely we let him go after his contract expires next year, at least we are FINALLY letting a coach see out their contact. No more knee-jerk reactions without a clear plan in place.

My theory is Wright and the board have realised that sacking Voss is unlikely to lead to a miracle turnaround next season, so let him finish his contract and work on fixing other issues in the interim.

And if it turns out Voss wasn't the problem after all, great, they can renew his contract towards the end of next year. No rush.

So we're delaying the sakc by a year because, optics?

Wright has had plenty of time to evaluate the coaches.
He has two options... sakc now or extend his contract if he's deemed as the right person going forward.

I don't have a problem with keeping Voss if they believe he's the best choice.
But let's see what happens next year is the worst option... a potential wasted year that won't go down well with anyone.


I think the point is that GW believes that Voss is the right coach for where we are today. The obvious effect of this is to let his contract run to the end of next year, he'd be stupid to extend Voss's contract today.


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Great decision.
The inside experts didn’t listen to the loudest outside Carlton “experts”.

I read a post from Surrey a few days ago that Voss was gone. I accepted that, but so happy he didn’t get his wish. Good response from Surrey too. We are Al on the same team. Now it’s time to stop eating our own.

To those Carltonians who could see the impact injury had on the game plan, and result, and could see which players were not delivering the basics such as set shots at goal, hitting targets by hand and foot, picking the right option, basically being lazy… there is a Navy Blue god. And I bet you’re relieved the blame for every friggin player failure was not heaped on Voss.

Sitting at a Taverna in Hydra.
I’m so happy that we continue our momentum and move forward.

We started the season with 13 out in round 1 and injury has been and still hovering around 15. We will move on heaps of players lacking skills and mental strength to see out a win.

We dodged a bullet with 800k man Houston. We get back a fit Jagga, Walshy, Curnow, Harry, Newy, Kemp, Acres, Cottrell… and many more… half a team of fit and firing stars. Maybe even Elijah. Good players are lining up to join Blues too. A bunch of new assistants. I have no doubt a different team approach to season 2026 will see a better start than 2025.

It’s 36 degrees and I’m going to drink the day away singing our song. We are the Navy Blues.

I hope SOS stays. If not, we may be better off. He is injury prone. He had an offer from us, and he has exercised his right to get a feel for the market. Opposition teams know he is the son of Steve and may be listening to his old man to go for best offer, not best team. So be it. We only want players who want to play for Carlton. I know they are lining up. We can only fit 44.

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bondiblue wrote:
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Great decision.
The inside experts didn’t listen to the loudest outside Carlton “experts”.

I read a post from Surrey a few days ago that Voss was gone. I accepted that, but so happy he didn’t get his wish. Good response from Surrey too. We are Al on the same team. Now it’s time to stop eating our own.

To those Carltonians who could see the impact injury had on the game plan, and result, and could see which players were not delivering the basics such as set shots at goal, hitting targets by hand and foot, picking the right option, basically being lazy… there is a Navy Blue god. And I bet you’re relieved the blame for every friggin player failure was not heaped on Voss.

Sitting at a Taverna in Hydra.
I’m so happy that we continue our momentum and move forward.

We started the season with 13 out in round 1 and injury has been and still hovering around 15. We will move on heaps of players lacking skills and mental strength to see out a win.

We dodged a bullet with 800k man Houston. We get back a fit Jagga, Walshy, Curnow, Harry, Newy, Kemp, Acres, Cottrell… and many more… half a team of fit and firing stars. Maybe even Elijah. Good players are lining up to join Blues too. A bunch of new assistants. I have no doubt a different team approach to season 2026 will see a better start than 2025.

It’s 36 degrees and I’m going to drink the day away singing our song. We are the Navy Blues.

I hope SOS stays. If not, we may be better off. He is injury prone. He had an offer from us, and he has exercised his right to get a feel for the market. Opposition teams know he is the son of Steve and may be listening to his old man to go for best offer, not best team. So be it. We only want players who want to play for Carlton. I know they are lining up. We can only fit 44.


Sitting in a Taverna in Hydra ? geez , what a life Bondi . IMHO Hydra would have to be the most picturesque Greek island i have visited .Spectacular island . And no cars , donkeys only . Have a great holiday Bondi . We miss your stuff .

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